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Tbred
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2017-01-05 12:25 PM
Subject: Send to trainer or keep training myself



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My colt just turned 4yrs old and I've spent the summer, fall and so far this winter hauling him and going in exhibition barrels.  Right before Thanksgiving, he suddenly figured it out and wants to run and I'm really excited about that.  My husband is pushing me to send him off for 30 days thinking he'll be a GOOD barrel horse because the last one I trained myself, is an awesome little turner and a really nice horse, but I can't seem to MAKE her fast and everyone knows she just loaf's with me.  She's hit the bottom of the 2D but hangs in the 3D and somedays just doesn't run and is in the 4D.  I'm sure she'd be faster with a different rider.  I've really been working on riding and pushing her and it's starting to pay off.  I know she needs her little butt whipped and last time I used one there was a noticable gear change.
This colt is going to be faster, I can just tell, but hubby doesn't think I can MAKE him fast even though he's doing pretty good. 
I can ride a fast horse, but now I'm questioning can I MAKE a fast horse.
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Nateracer
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2017-01-05 12:27 PM
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I would try breezing the horses first before you run instead of spending $600+ for 30 days.  Not sure what that would do to make a difference.  
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Tbred
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2017-01-05 12:38 PM
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Nateracer - 2017-01-05 12:27 PM I would try breezing the horses first before you run instead of spending $600+ for 30 days.  Not sure what that would do to make a difference.  

The mare I breeze and she runs.  But I'll be honest, I'd be scared to breeze the colt, lol he is sooooooooo fast and at least between barrels I know he'll stop and turn, on a straight away I might end up in another county, lol 
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Tdove
Reg. Apr 2015
Posted 2017-01-05 12:58 PM
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You can't make a horse fast. They either are or they aren't. They either try or they don't. You can encourage effort and but you can't ever force it. Especially on a younger or greener horse. That is a recipe for blowing one up. In any discipline, speed always comes last.

Edited by Tdove 2017-01-05 1:00 PM
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veintiocho
Reg. Sep 2015
Posted 2017-01-05 1:10 PM
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Tdove - 2017-01-05 12:58 PM

You can't make a horse fast. They either are or they aren't. They either try or they don't. You can encourage effort and but you can't ever force it. Especially on a younger or greener horse. That is a recipe for blowing one up. In any discipline, speed always comes last.

Very true! They also need to know how to run while packing a person around. Along with breezing, I like to lope large circles and ask for all out, then back to a lope, all out, back to lope. Controlled speed :) I really like to rope off them too which teaches acceleration and rate. I think once he gets the hang of it he'll find his speed, you just have to help him along.
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Tbred
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2017-01-05 2:08 PM
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veintiocho - 2017-01-05 1:10 PM
Tdove - 2017-01-05 12:58 PM You can't make a horse fast. They either are or they aren't. They either try or they don't. You can encourage effort and but you can't ever force it. Especially on a younger or greener horse. That is a recipe for blowing one up. In any discipline, speed always comes last.
Very true! They also need to know how to run while packing a person around. Along with breezing, I like to lope large circles and ask for all out, then back to a lope, all out, back to lope. Controlled speed :) I really like to rope off them too which teaches acceleration and rate. I think once he gets the hang of it he'll find his speed, you just have to help him along.

Maybe I should clarify that the mare can run, she just isn't running as fast as she can because I didn't train her to run as fast as she can between the barrels.  She is loafing because I thought I was pushing her, but I really wasn't.  So now I'm working on breaking that habit, of her not going all out between the barrels.  I had a hard time going from "training" mode to "open" mode.  Is she a 1D horse? No probably not, because like you said, you can't MAKE a horse fast, they are or their not.  But everyone around me knows she's not running to her full potential.

My issue is, I don't want to make the same mistake twice and have a super nice colt not run at his full potential either.  I didn't do the transition to add speed right the 1st time with the mare.  It's obvious he's going to be faster than she is, you can see it when he's out in the pasture running.
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BarrelRacing4Christ
Reg. Sep 2010
Posted 2017-01-05 2:28 PM
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You cannot personally make a horse fast. You can only encourage one to run as fast as their God given talent will let them. If you are doubting yourself and your ability as a rider, that is going to reflect in your riding no matter how hard you try for it not to. If changing your riding style to match this particular horse doesn't work, don't let it discourage you. Just know that some horses don't fit some riders.
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veintiocho
Reg. Sep 2015
Posted 2017-01-05 2:35 PM
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Tbred - 2017-01-05 2:08 PM

veintiocho - 2017-01-05 1:10 PM
Tdove - 2017-01-05 12:58 PM You can't make a horse fast. They either are or they aren't. They either try or they don't. You can encourage effort and but you can't ever force it. Especially on a younger or greener horse. That is a recipe for blowing one up. In any discipline, speed always comes last.
Very true! They also need to know how to run while packing a person around. Along with breezing, I like to lope large circles and ask for all out, then back to a lope, all out, back to lope. Controlled speed :) I really like to rope off them too which teaches acceleration and rate. I think once he gets the hang of it he'll find his speed, you just have to help him along.

Maybe I should clarify that the mare can run, she just isn't running as fast as she can because I didn't train her to run as fast as she can between the barrels.  She is loafing because I thought I was pushing her, but I really wasn't.  So now I'm working on breaking that habit, of her not going all out between the barrels.  I had a hard time going from "training" mode to "open" mode.  Is she a 1D horse? No probably not, because like you said, you can't MAKE a horse fast, they are or their not.  But everyone around me knows she's not running to her full potential.

My issue is, I don't want to make the same mistake twice and have a super nice colt not run at his full potential either.  I didn't do the transition to add speed right the 1st time with the mare.  It's obvious he's going to be faster than she is, you can see it when he's out in the pasture running.

I did the same thing with a gelding I had that could get really hot. I babied him and then he was just loafing through the pattern, turning hard, but running was ½ assed. Ed Wright pointed that out to me and told me to stop babying him! His exercise was to give the cue to RUN, and if no response over and under once to get him in high gear. They can go anywhere, just as long as it’s FAST. I think I only had to show the whip to this horse once and he got it. I still remember flying down the arena hearing Ed’s voice “it’s a Raaaaace!!”

Anyway, I’ve modified my training so I don’t baby the horse (as much, still guilty) to where they understand that it’s a race, but if I get a horse that doesn’t understand GO FAST I’ll use Ed’s technique.

I forgot to add, you do this exercise to get your horse acting like a Ferrari – barely touch the pedal and you’re at 90mph.

He said my horse was acting like an old beater pickup..it’d get up to speed when it felt like it.

Edited by veintiocho 2017-01-05 2:44 PM
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nmeastplains
Reg. Oct 2009
Posted 2017-01-05 2:51 PM
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veintiocho - 2017-01-05 1:35 PM

Tbred - 2017-01-05 2:08 PM

veintiocho - 2017-01-05 1:10 PM
Tdove - 2017-01-05 12:58 PM You can't make a horse fast. They either are or they aren't. They either try or they don't. You can encourage effort and but you can't ever force it. Especially on a younger or greener horse. That is a recipe for blowing one up. In any discipline, speed always comes last.
Very true! They also need to know how to run while packing a person around. Along with breezing, I like to lope large circles and ask for all out, then back to a lope, all out, back to lope. Controlled speed :) I really like to rope off them too which teaches acceleration and rate. I think once he gets the hang of it he'll find his speed, you just have to help him along.

Maybe I should clarify that the mare can run, she just isn't running as fast as she can because I didn't train her to run as fast as she can between the barrels.  She is loafing because I thought I was pushing her, but I really wasn't.  So now I'm working on breaking that habit, of her not going all out between the barrels.  I had a hard time going from "training" mode to "open" mode.  Is she a 1D horse? No probably not, because like you said, you can't MAKE a horse fast, they are or their not.  But everyone around me knows she's not running to her full potential.

My issue is, I don't want to make the same mistake twice and have a super nice colt not run at his full potential either.  I didn't do the transition to add speed right the 1st time with the mare.  It's obvious he's going to be faster than she is, you can see it when he's out in the pasture running.

I did the same thing with a gelding I had that could get really hot. I babied him and then he was just loafing through the pattern, turning hard, but running was ½ assed. Ed Wright pointed that out to me and told me to stop babying him! His exercise was to give the cue to RUN, and if no response over and under once to get him in high gear. They can go anywhere, just as long as it’s FAST. I think I only had to show the whip to this horse once and he got it. I still remember flying down the arena hearing Ed’s voice “it’s a Raaaaace!!”

Anyway, I’ve modified my training so I don’t baby the horse (as much, still guilty) to where they understand that it’s a race, but if I get a horse that doesn’t understand GO FAST I’ll use Ed’s technique.

I forgot to add, you do this exercise to get your horse acting like a Ferrari – barely touch the pedal and you’re at 90mph.

He said my horse was acting like an old beater pickup..it’d get up to speed when it felt like it.

I love what veintiocho said but my feeling is, keep the 4 yr old going like you are and maybe you can both be ready to go fast together, send your mare off to the trainer to help you get the speed out of her you are looking for, that way she can learn to run with someone that is ready to take her there and when you get her back you will be ready for both to add speed. Just a thought.....
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Tbred
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2017-01-05 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: Send to trainer or keep training myself



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veintiocho - 2017-01-05 2:35 PM
Tbred - 2017-01-05 2:08 PM
veintiocho - 2017-01-05 1:10 PM
Tdove - 2017-01-05 12:58 PM You can't make a horse fast. They either are or they aren't. They either try or they don't. You can encourage effort and but you can't ever force it. Especially on a younger or greener horse. That is a recipe for blowing one up. In any discipline, speed always comes last.
Very true! They also need to know how to run while packing a person around. Along with breezing, I like to lope large circles and ask for all out, then back to a lope, all out, back to lope. Controlled speed :) I really like to rope off them too which teaches acceleration and rate. I think once he gets the hang of it he'll find his speed, you just have to help him along.
Maybe I should clarify that the mare can run, she just isn't running as fast as she can because I didn't train her to run as fast as she can between the barrels.  She is loafing because I thought I was pushing her, but I really wasn't.  So now I'm working on breaking that habit, of her not going all out between the barrels.  I had a hard time going from "training" mode to "open" mode.  Is she a 1D horse? No probably not, because like you said, you can't MAKE a horse fast, they are or their not.  But everyone around me knows she's not running to her full potential.



My issue is, I don't want to make the same mistake twice and have a super nice colt not run at his full potential either.  I didn't do the transition to add speed right the 1st time with the mare.  It's obvious he's going to be faster than she is, you can see it when he's out in the pasture running.
I did the same thing with a gelding I had that could get really hot. I babied him and then he was just loafing through the pattern, turning hard, but running was ½ assed. Ed Wright pointed that out to me and told me to stop babying him! His exercise was to give the cue to RUN, and if no response over and under once to get him in high gear. They can go anywhere, just as long as it’s FAST. I think I only had to show the whip to this horse once and he got it. I still remember flying down the arena hearing Ed’s voice “it’s a Raaaaace!!” Anyway, I’ve modified my training so I don’t baby the horse (as much, still guilty) to where they understand that it’s a race, but if I get a horse that doesn’t understand GO FAST I’ll use Ed’s technique. I forgot to add, you do this exercise to get your horse acting like a Ferrari – barely touch the pedal and you’re at 90mph. He said my horse was acting like an old beater pickup..it’d get up to speed when it felt like it.

Exactly!  Two trainers have told me to not worry about my barrels with her and take a whip.  We weren't at a race, but just practicing one night about a month ago and I just had the whip in my hand going in, OMG, I wasn't ready at the 1st barrel because she was running so much harder and I hadn't even touched her, lol.  So, it's a whip for a while with her.  I just don't want to make the same mistake with the colt and baby him so he doesn't know to run either.  So I'm unsure if because I have new knowledge I should keep going myself, or send him off to learn to have a rocket in his butt, lol.   I think I now know, but I would hate to have the same problem down the road. 
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streakysox
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2017-01-05 9:44 PM
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I used to train all of my own horses. They were all good. (WAY before 4 D). The last one I trained wasa 1D horse. I started having a trainer ride mine an wow what a difference. She took the paint in my avatar to the world show and was res. Champion in poles, top 10 in barrels. I don't ride as well as I used to so in slow mode he runs in 3D with me. She can get more done in a couple of months than I can in 6 months. Best money I ever spent. Just got my 4 year old back and she is fabulous.
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