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Location: Florida.. | ctdrumrunr - 2015-07-28 8:28 AM I am sticking to Purina feed even though I don't really like it only because I know it is Ionophore freee. I am currently feeding Omelene 100 as I am not barrel racing right now. What Purina feed would be best? I really don't like feeding molasses. My horse is not very picky, will eat pellets or sweet feed. I can get Triple Crown, Purina, Nutrena, Blue Seal.
Id stick to Purina then and I personally use Purina Equine Sr and have as my go to grain when I didnt use Triple Crown..for over 26 yrs..
its easy to digest and can be fed to all ages and textured(not sweet ) |
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| Tdove - 2015-07-23 11:01 AM
want2chase3 - 2015-07-23 9:44 AM
I kinda got lost on the feed companies that are ionophore free.. is nutrena free? Where I'm moving I'll have access to purina , nutrena , and triple crown. I used tc before and wasn't happy with it so I'm not planning on going back to that..
Your choice list is Purina, and Cargill.....not much of a choice. For most its not: Purina, Cargill, or ADM. I don't think any of those really have horses or owners as the #1 interest. My opinion.
http://www.cargill.com/feed/news/2010/NA3030977.jsp
The good news is I found a danco dealer in the same town and he carries the omnis. Big sigh of relief |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | SG. - 2015-07-28 7:16 AM I also did not ask for the name of the place they got their ionophore free molasses as I. feel that is their propietary information. Again just because your friend claims to sell them molasses, Doesnt mean that actually happens. This is where I feel you might be mudding the waters so to speak. I just know that people claim all sorts of things (not you) but suppliers to make things look differently. You would be amazed at the people who claim to know my trade secrets and they are the furtherest from what is actually happening. So. i do take the he said she said personally. 
I feel you question me more than maybe a feed company. But I have respect for what you are trying to accomplish even when you are most often less than friendly in your approach towards me.
What I am saying is Rachel, Liana and I all know the person who sells BB. I am not talking about my friend who sells molasses to them.
Our friend is a dealer. You can ask the validity of her reputation for the truth. I am not sure why you think I would make stuff up to muddy the waters or why I would use heresay for a senstive subject when you are doing no more than taking a companies word that you maybe dont even know personally? I am doing no more than you by trying to help people see the loopholes in safety.
She asked the source of their liquid molasses. She did not ask the source of the dried molasses which could also be an issue as well. The BB dealer
told me who they source it from after asking because she did not know, just so happens I know and use that company weekly.
The source of the actual molasses, say cane, doesnt make it more safe. It is where it is held and how it is trasported that can be questionable. Much more so than any mill. They are liscensed (sp?) to carry more meds than most mills.
It is no more proprietary than any other commodity. But if it was a secret, then that in itself would worry me. I think they make every effort to keep things safe. As does the liquid feed company (aka the molasses provider) - I need to take a tour to see with my own eyes. But lastly, I will repeat- you are the one (or those on the original thread) who say we cant trust humans to be safe with the meds. The only truly safe feed/ingredient is one free from meds.
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Location: IL | So does anyone know anything about Tribute feed/kalmbach feed. I just read that it makes Ionophore free horse feed. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | Tribute has a totally separate facility for horse feed. |
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Location: Kentucky | merdth6 - 2015-07-28 3:32 PM So does anyone know anything about Tribute feed/kalmbach feed. I just read that it makes Ionophore free horse feed.
Tribute is clean. I switched from Triple Crown to Tribute for that reason. |
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Location: IL | Awesome! thanks I'm in the midst of changing our feed program and just trying to see what I have available around me. |
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Location: Oklahoma | TurnLane - 2015-07-28 1:37 PM
SG. - 2015-07-28 7:16 AM Â I also did not ask for the name of the place they got their ionophore free molasses as I. feel that is their propietary information. Â Again just because your friend claims to sell them molasses, Doesnt mean that actually happens. This is where I feel you might be mudding the waters so to speak. Â I just know that people claim all sorts of things (not you) but suppliers to make things look differently. Â You would be amazed at the people who claim to know my trade secrets and they are the furtherest from what is actually happening. Â So. i do take the he said she said personally. Â
What I am saying is Rachel, Liana and I all know the person who sells BB. I am not talking about my friend who sells molasses to them.
Our friend is a dealer. You can ask the validity of her reputation for the truth. I am not sure why you think I would make stuff up to muddy the waters or why I would use heresay for a senstive subject when you are doing no more than taking a companies word that you maybe dont even know personally? I am doing no more than you by trying to help people see the loopholes in safety.
She asked the source of their liquid molasses. She did not ask the source of the dried molasses which could also be an issue as well. The BB dealer
told me who they source it from after asking because she did not know, just so happens I know and use that company weekly.
The source of the actual molasses, say cane, doesnt make it more safe. It is where it is held and how it is trasported that can be questionable. Much more so than any mill. They are liscensed (sp?) to carry more meds than most mills.
It is no more proprietary than any other commodity. But if it was a secret, then that in itself would worry me. I think they make every effort to keep things safe. As does the liquid feed company (aka the molasses provider) - I need to take a tour to see with my own eyes. But lastly, I will repeat- you are the one (or those on the original thread) who say we cant trust humans to be safe with the meds. The only truly safe feed/ingredient is one free from meds. Â
 I just wanted to help clear up any confusion on Bluebonnet Feeds and where we get our molasses. I am the Director of Technical Services and I make the calls on where the molasses is sourced so I'm more familiar than anyone else could possibly be. I really applaud you all for being informed buyers and questioning your manufacturers! There is a lot to be concerned about out there when it comes to buying horse feed. Our molasses is custom blended by Westway. They have many facilities that do handle ionophores, but our molasses is made in a facility that does not process feeds with ionophores (which has been verified to me by Westway). It is very common for feed mills and liquid feed plants to be licensed for multiple drugs. It does not mean that the company uses them, however it does subject the company to even higher scrutiny and regulation by the state and FDA. At Bluebonnet, we keep all of our licenses active because we don't mind being inspected, we have nothing to hide. We are not trying to fly under any radars and we always get compliments from inspectors when they do come. We also offer an open door policy to anyone who would like to tour our mill, we just need a little advanced notice to get it scheduled. We try really hard to make a feed that people can trust! |
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Location: Here | EquineNutritionist - 2015-07-29 7:06 AM
I just wanted to help clear up any confusion on Bluebonnet Feeds and where we get our molasses. I am the Director of Technical Services and I make the calls on where the molasses is sourced so I'm more familiar than anyone else could possibly be. I really applaud you all for being informed buyers and questioning your manufacturers! There is a lot to be concerned about out there when it comes to buying horse feed. Our molasses is custom blended by Westway. They have many facilities that do handle ionophores, but our molasses is made in a facility that does not process feeds with ionophores (which has been verified to me by Westway ). It is very common for feed mills and liquid feed plants to be licensed for multiple drugs. It does not mean that the company uses them, however it does subject the company to even higher scrutiny and regulation by the state and FDA. At Bluebonnet, we keep all of our licenses active because we don't mind being inspected, we have nothing to hide. We are not trying to fly under any radars and we always get compliments from inspectors when they do come. We also offer an open door policy to anyone who would like to tour our mill, we just need a little advanced notice to get it scheduled. We try really hard to make a feed that people can trust!
Thank you so very much for coming on here and clarifying the confusion about the molasses |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Thank you for your time in confiming that my friend was correct in stating Westway even though I didnt mention the name. This is not only about BB or Purina, ect, it is just about educating how a component (molasses or liq blends, vitamin/mineral additives ect) added to any feed where an outside source in delivered to a mill can cause an issue. This thread was to help inform others how cross contamination can happen in an otherwise safe facility. Not only is your product great, so is your customer service.  |
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Location: Southern Indiana | merdth6 - 2015-07-28 2:47 PM Awesome! thanks I'm in the midst of changing our feed program and just trying to see what I have available around me.
My colt has been on Solutions 14 and it just doesn't seem to be packing weight on him so I think I'm going to try Kalm Ultra. The other chunks get Kalm N Ez. It's good stuff I like it. |
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| THis whole week has been an extreme eye opener for me in regards to processed feeds, no matter HOW AWESOME they are ( Fed them forever), all the fortified vitamins and minerals, pre and pro biotics, etc. They are all still processed. I have done a tremendous amount of research and have come to the conclusion that horses need to be getting all of their vitamins and nutrients from NATURAL SOURCES and forage. My horses have been on my whole oat/rolled barley mix with 24/7 alf-Orchard grass hay for about a week now and I can tell they are feeling great. Bucking and kicking/nickering at me. THey always performed well, but I can tell this natural diet has really helped them. THey turned their noses up at the oats for about 2 days cause they wanted their molasses, but now they are good. When I exercise them they seem more calm and focused. And I am really liking the $10 a 50 pound bag of oats/Barely over the 20+ I was paying for the processed stuff. |
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| I tried this week slowly switching mine over to oats. My little mare was not having anything to do with them. Plus I am just afraid that when I do get them switched she will put on a ton of weight and that she just does not need. I currently am feeding the BB and she likes it. I want them on a natural feed, but I just don't know. She also acted a little grumpy. |
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Location: Oklahoma | FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 10:11 AM
THis whole week has been an extreme eye opener for me in regards to processed feeds, no matter HOW AWESOME they are ( Fed them forever), all the fortified vitamins and minerals, pre and pro biotics, etc. They are all still processed. I have done a tremendous amount of research and have come to the conclusion that horses need to be getting all of their vitamins and nutrients from NATURAL SOURCES and forage. My horses have been on my whole oat/rolled barley mix with 24/7 alf-Orchard grass hay for about a week now and I can tell they are feeling great. Bucking and kicking/nickering at me. THey always performed well, but I can tell this natural diet has really helped them. THey turned their noses up at the oats for about 2 days cause they wanted their molasses, but now they are good. When I exercise them they seem more calm and focused. And I am really liking the $10 a 50 pound bag of oats/Barely over the 20+ I was paying for the processed stuff.
what is your ratio on the oats/barley? |
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| TwistedK - 2015-07-29 10:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 10:11 AM
THis whole week has been an extreme eye opener for me in regards to processed feeds, no matter HOW AWESOME they are ( Fed them forever), all the fortified vitamins and minerals, pre and pro biotics, etc. They are all still processed. I have done a tremendous amount of research and have come to the conclusion that horses need to be getting all of their vitamins and nutrients from NATURAL SOURCES and forage. My horses have been on my whole oat/rolled barley mix with 24/7 alf-Orchard grass hay for about a week now and I can tell they are feeling great. Bucking and kicking/nickering at me. THey always performed well, but I can tell this natural diet has really helped them. THey turned their noses up at the oats for about 2 days cause they wanted their molasses, but now they are good. When I exercise them they seem more calm and focused. And I am really liking the $10 a 50 pound bag of oats/Barely over the 20+ I was paying for the processed stuff.
what is your ratio on the oats/barley?
I am following the expertise of Dr. Schell DVM from Novell research and his recommendation was a ratio of 1:1 on Oats and Barley. However, I feed VERY little. Half pound of each 2x a day. SO yes it is 1:1 ratio but very little volume |
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| Flitastic - Are you giving them anything else? Are they turned out 24/7? |
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Location: Oklahoma | FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 1:10 PM
TwistedK - 2015-07-29 10:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 10:11 AM
THis whole week has been an extreme eye opener for me in regards to processed feeds, no matter HOW AWESOME they are ( Fed them forever), all the fortified vitamins and minerals, pre and pro biotics, etc. They are all still processed. I have done a tremendous amount of research and have come to the conclusion that horses need to be getting all of their vitamins and nutrients from NATURAL SOURCES and forage. My horses have been on my whole oat/rolled barley mix with 24/7 alf-Orchard grass hay for about a week now and I can tell they are feeling great. Bucking and kicking/nickering at me. THey always performed well, but I can tell this natural diet has really helped them. THey turned their noses up at the oats for about 2 days cause they wanted their molasses, but now they are good. When I exercise them they seem more calm and focused. And I am really liking the $10 a 50 pound bag of oats/Barely over the 20+ I was paying for the processed stuff.
what is your ratio on the oats/barley?
I am following the expertise of Dr. Schell DVM from Novell research and his recommendation was a ratio of 1:1 on Oats and Barley. However, I feed VERY little. Half pound of each 2x a day. SO yes it is 1:1 ratio but very little volume
Thank you. I will research them. |
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| No pasture, but mine have 24/7 Orchard-Alfalfa mix hay in the front of them. Trucked in from 1,000 miles away at 26.00 a bale!!! THey are both very lucky they love to run and turn cans!!!! |
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| TwistedK - 2015-07-29 11:30 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 1:10 PM
TwistedK - 2015-07-29 10:12 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-07-29 10:11 AM
THis whole week has been an extreme eye opener for me in regards to processed feeds, no matter HOW AWESOME they are ( Fed them forever), all the fortified vitamins and minerals, pre and pro biotics, etc. They are all still processed. I have done a tremendous amount of research and have come to the conclusion that horses need to be getting all of their vitamins and nutrients from NATURAL SOURCES and forage. My horses have been on my whole oat/rolled barley mix with 24/7 alf-Orchard grass hay for about a week now and I can tell they are feeling great. Bucking and kicking/nickering at me. THey always performed well, but I can tell this natural diet has really helped them. THey turned their noses up at the oats for about 2 days cause they wanted their molasses, but now they are good. When I exercise them they seem more calm and focused. And I am really liking the $10 a 50 pound bag of oats/Barely over the 20+ I was paying for the processed stuff.
what is your ratio on the oats/barley?
I am following the expertise of Dr. Schell DVM from Novell research and his recommendation was a ratio of 1:1 on Oats and Barley. However, I feed VERY little. Half pound of each 2x a day. SO yes it is 1:1 ratio but very little volume
Thank you. I will research them.
If you have any questions, ask HERBIE on this board. SHe is an expert!!!!!! |
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