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Injections/Nerving - from a buyers perspective

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allaboutme2
Reg. Aug 2014
Posted 2014-08-07 1:04 PM
Subject: Injections/Nerving - from a buyers perspective


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Hi - new to posting but i am dealing with a tough issue.  I have been fighting soundness issues for a while with my mare.  She is what some would consider "High End" and sound, would carry a hefty price tag (based on current market).  The choices on the table (after lots of exams/x-rays/etc) are (de-)nerving, injections in the bursas, or nothing - making her "broodmare sound" only.  There are no guarantees anything will work but i am curious how potential buyers would perceive nerving if that route works....
 
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Just Bring It
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-08-07 1:14 PM
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I don't have any advice for you but I know what you are going through. I have a mare with a chronic issue that requires maintenance and she I am selling her for a quarter of what she is worth in the barrel pen. She is drop dead gorgeous, runs 1D, is a futurity champ but I have to dang near give her away. :( It really sucks. But I am to the point right now if I get a couple others sold I will just keep her myself to run once in awhile and breed in the future. The only reason she is for sale is because I am too busy with others to give her all the attention she deserves and I need the money.
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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-08-07 2:18 PM
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I won't buy a horse that has been nerved, one that required injections, maybe depending on my vets examination and opinion.
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allaboutme2
Reg. Aug 2014
Posted 2014-08-07 2:24 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-08-07 12:18 PM I won't buy a horse that has been nerved, one that required injections, maybe depending on my vets examination and opinion.

 Can i ask why?  I have never considered nerving and wouldnt buy one myself, but trying to understand all the concerns there are with the long term affects....Thank you
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casualdust07
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2014-08-07 2:48 PM
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allaboutme2 - 2014-08-07 1:04 PM

Hi - new to posting but i am dealing with a tough issue.  I have been fighting soundness issues for a while with my mare.  She is what some would consider "High End" and sound, would carry a hefty price tag (based on current market).  The choices on the table (after lots of exams/x-rays/etc) are (de-)nerving, injections in the bursas, or nothing - making her "broodmare sound" only.  There are no guarantees anything will work but i am curious how potential buyers would perceive nerving if that route works....
 

Unfortunately I think you won't get what she would be worth had she been sound. Horses that can win but require intense maintenance are cheap for that reason- it's going to cost a lot to keep them sound and you never know when it won't work anymore. Especially with navicular horses… it's a progressive disease, and eventually you run out of options and thats when a neurectomy is considered-IF the horse is a candidate…and then you have to decide if you want to run a nerved horse or if you want to do it just to make her pasture sound.
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Lovin Life
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2014-08-07 2:49 PM
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Having a horse that's navicular, I've injected coffin and bursa, but wouldn't buy another and we've never thought of trying to sell him. I think the biggest thing is that there's so much in question as to how long they will last. Not that anyone has a clue with a perfectly sound horse, but knowing you could have more complications scares people I think. 
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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-08-07 3:06 PM
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allaboutme2 - 2014-08-07 2:24 PM

cheryl makofka - 2014-08-07 12:18 PM I won't buy a horse that has been nerved, one that required injections, maybe depending on my vets examination and opinion.

 Can i ask why?  I have never considered nerving and wouldnt buy one myself, but trying to understand all the concerns there are with the long term affects....Thank you

Depending on which nerve the vet cuts, it can mask other issues, the navicular bone can still be demineralizing, all you have done is blocked the pain, but the inflammation still exists.

Injecting, you are reducing inflammation therefore reducing pain, depending on how bad the horse is the navicular bone may still be savable.

If this is navicular, I would look into tildren
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RockinGR
Reg. Feb 2009
Posted 2014-08-07 4:01 PM
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I think it turns buyers off a lot. I have one that was nerved when I got him--and he'd been for sale on a well known trainer's website, advertised honestly and CHEAP. From what I understand, several people tried him (including several people I know), and didn't buy him, but those were because he's A LOT of horse with a lot of quirks who's not easy to ride, not because he was nerved, but I'm sure he was looked past by many many more because he is.

I don't regret owning mine, and I've turned down A LOT of money for that horse, and won a whole lot more. I do spend a lot of money on him with the chiro and injections, special shoes, a failed Tildren trial, and a second surgery...and he's earned it back 10 fold. But, he's not for sale and never will be again so I'm not worried about what it does to his "value". Every decision I've made for my horse has been about his quality of life.

I think the decision should be based on the horse as an individual, and while I do think it hurts their value if you want to sell them, if you can't get them sound other wise, they're not worth anything more as a lame horse than as a nerved one. Why not make them comfortable? Just my opinion.



Edited by RockinGR 2014-08-07 4:34 PM
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barrelracinbroke
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2014-08-07 5:34 PM
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For me, it would depend on what exactly the underlying soundness issue was moreso than the fact that she'd been nerved.
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hammer_time
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2014-08-07 5:40 PM
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We've bought many horses that need work (injections, nerving, pain mgmt) because they are what we can afford. Meaning, you could sell her, but you won't get near what you are asking.
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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2014-08-07 5:55 PM
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barrelracinbroke - 2014-08-07 5:34 PM For me, it would depend on what exactly the underlying soundness issue was moreso than the fact that she'd been nerved.

The reason for the nerving would be my issue as well.  As far as value, I sold a 14 yo gelding that had been nerved.  He was a finished rope horse.  We had yearly X-rays to show the degeneration over time. He sold for just shy of $20K, and within 24 hours of posting him.   
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margoannrodeo
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2014-08-07 6:27 PM
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I will never buy another navicular horse as long as I live. 
I have a really really nice horse (thats worth the headache lol/unsellable at this point)

In the 4 years I have owned him....I've literally dont everything including injecting everything in the foot/supplement/tildren/treatment out there including DE-NERVING TWICE (Nov 2012 and June 2013). He regenerated in 6 months the first time, and a year the second time. And I am back to square one...daily bute and the maintenance of a navicular horse. 

 
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