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Location: IL | So my horse bled for the first time a couple weeks ago. He is on antibotics currently and is now off until next spring (cold up here) What are some things I need to know? I've never dealt with this. I spoke to my vet and he told me I should run him on lasix for now on. Very upset about this  |
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Location: Oklahoma | I am a firm believer that all horses bleed, but we usually don't see it. I keep my horses on a daily supplement to help prevent bleeding and give something additional the day of race. Finding wood and doing a lot of knocking, but I haven't had to use Lasix, even on horses that previously were ran on Lasix.
I use a product by Cox Labs to feed daily (there are a lot of supplements to feed for bleeders) and I use another Cox product day of race and/or I give another product my vet has prescribed.
Being legged up and doing breezing to get the lungs used to that explosive speed they give when they run helps. Good luck. When our fur babies hurt, we hurt.
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Location: MD | The first thing that you need to know is that this is not devastating news! It is scary, I know, but it is actually more common than you think. One of the biggest factors in maintaining a bleeder is conditioning. Make sure that you keep them fit and full of air. Some horses respond extremely well to Lasix. It can be a fairly simple process. Others may need for you to go to a bit further measures in order to control their issues. I personally feed Bleeder Stop from Oxy-Gen daily to the bleeders in my barn. I also use Race X paste as a prerace when running. Combined with Lasix, this has kept my horses performing phenomenally, with no occurrences of bleeding for the past couple of years. Maintaining your horses issues might take a bit of trial and error, but please know that this is not something career ending, nor is it something that you could have changed. |
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Location: IL | Thanks for the input. I'm not to crazy about lasix. I know it is commonly used. He bled kinda bad. He was coughing and within a couple minutes after the run it was dripping out of his nose. I think in the beginning of August we had a really nice run at a show. After I noticed him coughing some. I didn't think much of it because it had been really dry and dusty and I assumed it was allergies. We have had crazy weather this year. I'm in IL. Well I know think he bled some but I never saw it. After that weekend he was off about a month from running. I was still exercising him. We then had another weekend of running and he ran really good there but on the last run he was coughing again. So I think he probably had a little infection going on and a couple weeks ago it just all went south. He already looks alot better from the antibotic. I don't know if I should take a chance and run him again without the lasix? I will put him on a supplement for his lungs. |
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Location: Central Texas | First determine where your horse is bleeding from. Mine bled but he wasn't a bleeder. He has allergies and he was bleeding from broken capillaries in his nose which in my ignorance assisted in promoting the issue by giving Pentosan to close to a hard weekend of running in addition to his allergies issues. . He was not bleeding from the lungs! They can bleed from allergies, sinus issues etc. |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Get a BAL done! |
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Location: Central Texas | merdth6 - 2015-11-10 3:20 PM
Thanks for the input. Â I'm not to crazy about lasix. Â I know it is commonly used. Â He bled kinda bad. Â He was coughing and within a couple minutes after the run it was dripping out of his nose. Â I think in the beginning of August we had a really nice run at a show. Â After I noticed him coughing some. Â I didn't think much of it because it had been really dry and dusty and I assumed it was allergies. Â We have had crazy weather this year. Â I'm in IL. Â Well I know think he bled some but I never saw it. Â After that weekend he was off about a month from running. Â I was still exercising him. Â We then had another weekend of running and he ran really good there but on the last run he was coughing again. Â So I think he probably had a little infection going on and a couple weeks ago it just all went south. Â He already looks alot better from the antibotic. Â I don't know if I should take a chance and run him again without the lasix? Â I will put him on a supplement for his lungs. Â
oops just saw this post after I posted. Probably is a true bleeder. If so I bet you can manage it. |
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Location: South MS | merdth6 - 2015-11-10 8:51 AM
 So my horse bled for the first time a couple weeks ago.  He is on antibotics currently and is now off until next spring (cold up here)  What are some things I need to know?  I've never dealt with this.  I spoke to my vet and he told me I should run him on lasix for now on.  Very upset about thisÂ
I have a bleeder. I give mine 10 days off after a bleed with antibiotics per my vet. I trot for 2 weeks after before making another run. Mine is a BAD bleeder. I have to run with lasix and Kentucky red which I give 4 hours out and gives me a 2-3 hour window to run him.
I feed my horse MSM as its a natural anti inflammatory which helps with his airway/breathing and a diet rich in Omegas. Avoid dust! Shavings need to be wet and hay.
Bleeders are manageable but you have to play with dose amounts and timing to find that perfect combo where they perform the best. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | THE PulmonEZ is a great supplement for bleeders. It has a money back guarantee as well. I have several customers that never use Lasix with it and some that are able to give much lower dosage with it. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | First and foremost is putting the horse thru a round of appropriate antibiotics and giving time off to make sure any residual from the bleeding is treated. Secondly really good conditioning is essential. There are any number of feed thru supplements marketed for bleeders that may keep you from having to use lasix or keep the dosage to a minimum. The trick is in finding the product that will work for your horse because it is definitely not a one size fits all situation.
I use special Arubic Powder (originally compounded by a vet in KY) in conjunction with K&C plus by Cox Labs. This combo has worked awesome for my gelding without adding lasix. He has not bled thru in the many years he has been on the combo and believe me when I say that I knew about 3/4 way thru a run when he bled. |
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For those that are running bleeders how do you know what is or isn't working?? Are you scoping or doing BAL's after running to make sure?
Lots of people say they have a product that works but unless you are actually scoping, how do you really know? even horses that are run on lasix can bleed thru it.
And I have seen lots of research on products to control the bleeding but why isn't anyone doing research on WHY? We are seeing more and more bleeders every year, but WHY? is it in our enviroment?
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Location: Bandera, TX | RNugent - 2015-11-14 11:36 AM What I am wondering is....
For those that are running bleeders how do you know what is or isn't working?? Are you scoping or doing BAL's after running to make sure?
Lots of people say they have a product that works but unless you are actually scoping, how do you really know? even horses that are run on lasix can bleed thru it.
And I have seen lots of research on products to control the bleeding but why isn't anyone doing research on WHY? We are seeing more and more bleeders every year, but WHY? is it in our enviroment?
I really believe it is the world were living in. I'm in a unique situation. I've had my trainers license since I was 17 for Texas. I became a nurse then a paramedic 3 years later. Early in both my careers I didn't see the respiratory issues we have now. Both equine and human. I've worked in level 1 hospital and I'm a paramedic for the 6th largest city in the states. Its grown terribly here. I never have seen so many horses bleed as I have the last 7-8 years.
I think a BAL is the only way to tell what is the cause of lower airway issues. Many times a scope won't show bleeding even though a BAL will. If mast cells are present you must go with a mast cell stabilizer to treat the horse appropriatly. |
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