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Elite Veteran
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| Hey all. Until this year, I have been barrel racing a long time, hitting various shows here and there, but never joining an association other than the little open association up the road from my house.
This year I joined NBHA, and have been a little surprised at something. Like I said, I have been to their shows before, and ran, just never joined so didnt care about points and such. It's very much a little fish big pond scenario to me, so I keep to myself and am not the social butterfly knowing all the comings and goings of everyone there.
So - here's my point. Back a few weeks ago, we were at a show. A well known trainer in the area was there. I heard people mentioning that this trainer had gotten kicked in the ribs earlier in the week. He exhibitioned some horses, and was entered in the open on 2 or 3. After exhibitions and I think at least 1 open run, all of a sudden I realized they substituted a new rider on the rest of the horses he was entered on. I thought for sure you can't sub a horse or rider if the class has already started?
And to expand a little - Our state finals was this past weekend. One girl ran her horse friday night, didn't qualify. Goes to feed her horse saturday morning and his back leg is all tore up, needs stitches, definitely can't be run. It was because someone had previously stapled their crap up in their stall and left the staples! (Yes, she should have checked her stall) BUT, my question - she definitely couldn't run her horse, and she had another there that she could. I forget if it was hers, or one someone else offered to her, not that it matters to me. But they told her, no she could not sub her horse to run the 2nd go and try to qualify for the finals.
To me, these are the same situation treated two different ways. If you'll let a rider sub out for being hurt (although I think you shouldn't be able to do that) Surely, you should be able to sub a horse that is most definitely injured.
What do you all think? Are the rules different in your area? Does anyone know for sure the NBHA rule?
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Elite Veteran
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| I don't know NBHA but in IBRA, it is very easy to sub out horses or riders. Heck, one guy switch horses out at the gate because he was warming her up and noticed she was breathing funny and she ended up having an abscess in her throat. So he borrowed another horse and just ran in the place and they let him do it. If they have a legit reason, then we are all pretty cool with horse or rider subs. |
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Expert
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| Sounds like a producer here in Colo, different set of rules for different people. |
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Location: So. California | If this was an NBHA jackpot, I don't believe that is allowed - once the draw is set and the first rider goes, it's locked. A change on the rider would not be allowed. Go to the NBHA national website and look up the rules. Maybe they changed the rider BEFORE the first rider and you just didn't notice? I would contact the district director for clarification of the situation. |
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Elite Veteran
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| I went to the website and it didn't specifically say it was or was not allowed. I'm pretty sure he didn't change riders until after the first horse ran because he ran his first horse, and THEN decided not to run the others. I was under the impression he just would have had to scratch. I'm not saying I have a problem with it per say, but I find it hard to believe that it would have gone the same had it been me wanting to sub a rider. And I totally am OK with a horse substitution if there is a legit health concern for the horse, but that wasn't allowed at state. |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Itsme - 2015-07-01 7:06 PM Sounds like a producer here in Colo, different set of rules for different people.
I agree, just depends on who you're buddys with. |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | There are several things we don't know. First Horse substitutions are allowed, rider substitutions are not. However, you can change anything before the first horse runs. If he entered and exibitioned and was ready to ride but then got kicked. He could have pulled his open or what ever entry, and had someone else sign up to run those horses in the Open. It doesn't sound like you know for sure when the event happened. If it was a regualr show, they can change that stuff adn get their money back right up to the first horse run. If it was a big show....state or world or something it is a rule violation. But if it was several years ago not really a way to confirm. A lot of things in life are changed by who you know, or who you are. I'v never seen that happen at any NBHA show I have been at in the state of Florida. |
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Location: Ohio | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-01 7:33 PM I don't know NBHA but in IBRA, it is very easy to sub out horses or riders. Heck, one guy switch horses out at the gate because he was warming her up and noticed she was breathing funny and she ended up having an abscess in her throat. So he borrowed another horse and just ran in the place and they let him do it. If they have a legit reason, then we are all pretty cool with horse or rider subs.
This does not sound right. There are rules for subbing in IBRA too. Once the class has started, it has to be run according to how the horse/riders were entered. He could have scratched, but should not have been allowed to run another horse if the class was already started. |
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Elite Veteran
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| I went and found the results of the show, and he ran one horse in the open, and then subbed a rider on 2 other horses he was entered on. He subbed them AFTER the first horse was run in the open. I guess he decided after his one run, he couldn't make it through 2 more, so put someone else on them. I feel positive it was after the first horse ran, because like I said, he ran 1, and the results show a new riders name on the other 2, but I remember going to look at the draw that was posted, and his name was listed on the other 2 horses in the draw, but the sub riders name was on the results. |
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Elite Veteran
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| next thirty years - 2015-07-04 9:11 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-01 7:33 PM I don't know NBHA but in IBRA, it is very easy to sub out horses or riders. Heck, one guy switch horses out at the gate because he was warming her up and noticed she was breathing funny and she ended up having an abscess in her throat. So he borrowed another horse and just ran in the place and they let him do it. If they have a legit reason, then we are all pretty cool with horse or rider subs.
This does not sound right. There are rules for subbing in IBRA too. Once the class has started, it has to be run according to how the horse/riders were entered. He could have scratched, but should not have been allowed to run another horse if the class was already started.
Thinking back to it (this was last year in January), I believe he was the first one to run in the adult class. So they probably let him do it since TECHNICALLY the class hadn't started yet. |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | I dont know, I wasnt there, of course, but just because a draw is printed doesnt mean the change wasnt made pripr to the horse run. Generally speaking the horse/ rider changes ...scratches...late entries.are all printed BEFORE the race starts...it could be.changed at the last min...but the change wont be on the listnprinted BEFRE the change was made. Like at NBHA big shows likenour State show...everything is printed, changes dont show up even in the results sometimes but will show up by the second go. |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | Where was your State show? What State? And the two stories you submitted are very different. Rider change, you dont know for sure when the change was made...he could have decided after exibitioning...I do t think I can ride more than 1. Second situation.....the girl had already run once...you can never change after the first run in a 2 go show.
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | Where was your State show? What State? And the two stories you submitted are very different. Rider change, you dont know for sure when the change was made...he could have decided after exibitioning...I do t think I can ride more than 1. Second situation.....the girl had already run once...you can never change after the first run in a 2 go show.
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