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Location: texas | okay so my gelding hasnt been turning his third barrel FOR CRAP. he used to literally sit and pivot around the 3rd. im using my legs, when i do slow work i make him over finish the the 3rd barrel and as soon as i run him he blows it! Any drills yall can think of??? i have 3 videos below that you can watch to see what im talkin bout! i wasnt pushing him in these runs due to him recovering form some deep gashes he got from jumping a fence about 3 months ago! i just wanted an easygoing clean run! and then work my way into running! Any help or advice would be much appreciated!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMn8FpAvQos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOYMzXcgKWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7BVIyUzw
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| Not to sound like a brokern record but has he seen a vet? I would rule out pain before I went on with training. |
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 Owner of a ratting catting machine
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| I'm also a broken record. Dentist, farrier, vet. Then looks like he might need a tack change, and the jockey needs to go ride with someone like Charmaybe James that will teach her to sit up in the turn, engage the horses hip, use her feet more, set the horse up better, and stay off his face. So in my opinion; dentist, farrier, vet, clinician. |
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| You are not finishing the turn on the second barrel. That is allowing the horse to bow out going to the third. The horse is going into the turn way too wide, getting flat on the backside of the barrel and then cannot finish his turn.
To correct, finish the turn on the second then run straight go the third barrel. Make sure your leg is even with the third barrel BEFORE YOU START YOUR TURN. Many people runto right of the barrel (in your case) then move the horse over as the get to the barrel. This is a rider issue. Fix you and it will fix the horse. |
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Take a Picture
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| Classic when are you getting here???? Need to have company to ride with when I ride my two year old in case I land on my head!!
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The Advice Guru
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| The horse needs to rate, if you watch your videos, the horse is not shortening his stride at all when he turns.
You need to slow down and get the basics before you can go fast |
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Location: texas | He just had his teeth done and nothing wrong with his feet my farrier does an amazing job. also hes seen a vet. i get chiropractic work on him, hes not in pain. when hes in pain he he will kick out with his back legs. thats how he has always shown pain. and what do you mean tack change?? whats wrong with it? |
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | I to think you need to go back to basics.. you need to learn how to control and finesse him.. rate, bending in ribs, and you as a rider to properly use your body and legs. I am not being harsh and I think your young so in order to go far in your riding id not just kick and go or allow him to just "run" you need some basic foundation work. If you get him to do that then add speed.. but until then he will continue to just fly around the barrels with no form whatsoever.. hes cute and big strided.. at least you asked but you need to listen to others on here and hopefully things will improve.. but your first step is not to place blame on horse.. its just typical running and no riding working finessing the horse...no connection with him.. hes just Going.. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Your not helping him turn at all, not body or hands, you need to "quiet" your body down, and your hands especially. When you turn your hand is holding the reins up and not helping guide him at all, some horses can run like that but he obviously can't.
Just lots of slow work, sit at cross roads and rate turn his butt to the inside, twist your hips but keep him where you want him around the barrel at a walk. Easier to do it then explain it, maybe find a great trainer in your area and get some lessons |
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Location: texas | i do have a trainer lol havent gone ina while due to my superr busy schedule! im gonna find some time this weekor next to go and get help and tune ups |
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Location: Mountains of VA | I agree with the advice from the other posters but wanted to add, your horse looks like he turns much better to the left than right so why not switch directions too on top of working on your riding skills and his basics? Just a thought...... |
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Location: texas | i used to go to the right barrel first lemme just say it was a DISASTERRRR. |
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Location: Alberta | Bibliafarm - 2015-10-04 11:40 AM
I to think you need to go back to basics.. you need to learn how to control and finesse him.. rate, bending in ribs, and you as a rider to properly use your body and legs. I am not being harsh and I think your young so in order to go far in your riding id not just kick and go or allow him to just "run" you need some basic foundation work. If you get him to do that then add speed.. but until then he will continue to just fly around the barrels with no form whatsoever.. hes cute and big strided.. at least you asked but you need to listen to others on here and hopefully things will improve.. but your first step is not to place blame on horse.. its just typical running and no riding working finessing the horse...no connection with him.. hes just Going..
This......make time to get to your trainer...And remember it takes time to create results and change when we are improving our riding/helping our horses......Rome wasn't built in a day and either does a)building a barrel horse or b) fine tuning what we need to
I give your horse credit he's trying, but make it easier on him by getting things smoothed out and correct.....best of luck!
Edited by dream_chaser 2015-10-04 1:47 PM
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Location: on my horse | he looks like he's really bracing on you around 2nd which is causing him to leave wide and setting him up poorly for the 3rd where he starts to brace and then just bows off. To me looks like something I would fix in slow work, move the ribcage around a lot 2 track, counter arc, lots of bending circles and work on your transitions from trot to lope and back to trot. That really helps me with my mare who tends to get bracy on me (my fault I know but we're still working out kinks) otherwise nice little horse he's very cute. |
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Location: Texas | OK, first I want to say your horse is nice. Your first barrel is really good. A few things I would tweek if he were mine.
He turns the first awesome, but comes a little short of actually completing the turn, so on the way to the second, I see you pulling him so he can make that turn. That puts him out of line for a correct turn, and he then pulls away early from the second. Then out of line for the third, etc.
My suggestions: In slow work, turn your first barrel and as soon as his hip passes it, move him over to set him up for the second. Keep his body straight (or square), not leaning left or right. In this position, he is better able to turn the second and complete the turn. Keep him moving forward, not slowing down IN the turn. Now you are in line to go to third. Take that straight line from the second and go to the third barrel, again keeping him square. Remind him to rate there, and turn a round circle on the third and complete the turn.
Good luck!
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I'm going to start off by saying that you have a nice horse and with the right training and practice, you will get better.
He isn't finishing any of his barrels...he's bowing out of every single one so its setting you up completely wrong for the next.
You need to rate & set him up for that barrel once you get there. He isn't shortening his stride whatsoever so I'm sure that is contributing to him bowing out and not finishing it.
I would practice nice tight turns around that barrel and practice setting him. I like to walk/trot/lope start out slow first to the barrel and ask for him to woah where you need him to rate. Depending on the horse is where you need to rate but I would probably rate about a stride out. After doing that for awhile he will understand he needs to shorten himself but you can't just expect him to know on his own.
I know it seemed like everyone was being harsh but you asked for advice. No one was bashing you or talking down...just offering advice. I used to get my feelings hurt a lot by people on here and sometimes it still happens a little but I know that they are just trying to help. Remember that. |
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Location: Canada | What I saw based on videos is he's not finishing any of his turns. The rider is also being left behind at most of the barrels and is catching the horse in the mouth.
I'd suggest the rider get some lessons to help with their balance. The last video where the horse turned third the horse appeared to be cruising through and the rider was sitting a little more square. The other two videos the hands are up, the rider is left behind and the horse is all over the place with no clean lines and no rate or bend.
This isn't meant to sound harsh at all but just what I see. If this is a new horse, or the horse has picked up a gear outside help from a trainer/coach will certainly improve these runs in no time.
Best of luck. |
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 Don't Wanna Make This Awkward
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Location: Texas | I would really practice finishing your turns and making sure you are in control at all times, maybe working on rating as well.
I think your 3rd barrel problem is starting at the second barrel because you aren't leaving the 2nd barrel in a straight line, you come off the barrel too early. Sometimes horses get into the habit of turning the 2nd like the first or third, but the second barrel is the only barrel you really go all the way around so when you do slow work over finish the second, point your horse to the opposite side of the third barrel then leave the second. And same on the third, when you leave the barrel point towards the third.
I would get with your trainer or if you want I can help you, do you ever use a german martingale on him? I have one that martha josey makes that you could try. I would have someone show you how to use it first because they can be tricky! I also have a really great trainer for basic riding drills and what not, she really helped me with the "back to the basics" stuff :) |
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