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Location: Texas | i bought a bale of alfalfa to supplement my coastal and it was from a new vendor at the feed store. It's not moldy or dusty but my horse has been coughing some. Not real knowledgeable about coastal. Does anyone's horses ever do this? |
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  Witty Enough
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Location: CTX | I give my old mare alfalfa, and she likes to share.... She will push it into the stall next to her sometimes, and when my gelding goes to clean it up I noticed he was coughing the last 3 times. So now I make sure she can't share... Not sure if it was just this batch, but from now on no alfalfa for my boy. |
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| We just got done testing my guy for allergies. He'd had a slight cough on and off for some time and then when we had to buy in different hay, it got really bad. Turns out he is allergic to most grass hays. The cough was the only sign, looked great, working great, hacking like a 40 year smoker. Since we have him back on alfalfa (because he is not allergic to it) and switched grain (pellets made with Timothy roughage were probably the source of the slight cough pre hay switch) to something with minimal allergens he is loads better. We are also doing allergy shots since he has some we just can't avoid 100% of the time. |
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 How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | THe leaves in alfalfa can stick together and cause mold you can't even see to grow between them. I had two mares - mother and daughter - that would cough all the time on alfalfa. |
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| A lot of professional hay producers especially ones that ship across country are using nitrates and other drying products sprayed on their alfalfa when cutting it or baling it ...
you can tell this chemical alfalfa easily .. it will remain bright green on all the exterior for a long time ..... instead of drying out to a tan exterior like a naturally baled alfalfa bale does ..
If you want to smell what nitrates smell like ... open one of the pre cutup salad mixes in plastic bags and take a big snort.. it will make you gag .... it reduces the amount of oxygen in the bag to keep the lettuce and other veggies from rotting by increasing the amount of nitrogen in the bag.... .. Ever buy a big green head of lettuce and notice the next day it has rust spots all over the base of the leaves?? .. This lettuce was stored in refrigerated nitrogen storage areas and that is the oxygen in the air doing a quick rotting action on your lettuce ... ... Kinda like bringing your car from Arizona to Florida's rain and high humidity and watching it rust away in your driveway .. lol
I have owned a large number of horses and never had one allergic to grass, alfalfa or properly baled all natural grass hay. .. there was always some other factor that created their reactions ... I think vets and doctors are getting better with steroids and other meds to mask the real problem and making a permanent patient out of horse or human ..
Horses are like humans... when something smells or tastes bad they will not eat it... so take it as a warning and back up and do what you were doing before ... I remind myself of the KISS system when things happen at my barn ...
Many moons ago I had a horse that would cough for no reason .. sometimes during or after working, tied or even taking a drink. He was diagnosed by several as having a dust cough from my dusty barn or dusty hay or feed or some crazy weed in my pasture. .. I had no barn, could not afford feed at the time and let horse graze the mowed grass in my big yard which I watered with well water.
I was approached outside the vets clinic by a CHICKEN FARMER who gave me half a bag of medicated chicken feed crumbles with Aureomycin and advised to feed a cup of it morning and evening for 14 days with a scoop of whole oats to add saliva from horse chewing to swallow the chicken feed. Aureomycin is a med used for low grade bacterial respiratory problems with a number of animal species.
Old horse never coughed again after using that chicken feed on him ..lol
I have used it multiple times since with excellent results that ended the hacking cough cough cough from different horses I have owned thru the years. Never any snot or sinus drainage ... more like a tickle in the throat type of cough cough ...
You can buy 4G AUREOMYCIN CRUMBLES online, from your vet, feed store or even at walmart... do your own research and vetting to your own satisfaction .. I've never heard of a horse dying from using a chicken feed to cure a low grade respiratory infection... lol
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I Need a Xanax!
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-06-22 2:35 AM
A lot of professional hay producers especially ones that ship across country are using nitrates and other drying products sprayed on their alfalfa when cutting it or baling it ...
you can tell this chemical alfalfa easily .. it will remain bright green on all the exterior for a long time ..... instead of drying out to a tan exterior like a naturally baled alfalfa bale does ..
If you want to smell what nitrates smell like ... open one of the pre cutup salad mixes in plastic bags and take a big snort.. it will make you gag .... it reduces the amount of oxygen in the bag to keep the lettuce and other veggies from rotting by increasing the amount of nitrogen in the bag.... .. Ever buy a big green head of lettuce and notice the next day it has rust spots all over the base of the leaves?? .. This lettuce was stored in refrigerated nitrogen storage areas and that is the oxygen in the air doing a quick rotting action on your lettuce ... ... Kinda like bringing your car from Arizona to Florida's rain and high humidity and watching it rust away in your driveway .. lol
I have owned a large number of horses and never had one allergic to grass, alfalfa or properly baled all natural grass hay. .. there was always some other factor that created their reactions ... I think vets and doctors are getting better with steroids and other meds to mask the real problem and making a permanent patient out of horse or human ..
Horses are like humans... when something smells or tastes bad they will not eat it... so take it as a warning and back up and do what you were doing before ... I remind myself of the KISS system when things happen at my barn ...
Many moons ago I had a horse that would cough for no reason .. sometimes during or after working, tied or even taking a drink. He was diagnosed by several as having a dust cough from my dusty barn or dusty hay or feed or some crazy weed in my pasture. .. I had no barn, could not afford feed at the time and let horse graze the mowed grass in my big yard which I watered with well water.
I was approached outside the vets clinic by a CHICKEN FARMER who gave me half a bag of medicated chicken feed crumbles with Aureomycin and advised to feed a cup of it morning and evening for 14 days with a scoop of whole oats to add saliva from horse chewing to swallow the chicken feed. Aureomycin is a med used for low grade bacterial respiratory problems with a number of animal species.
Old horse never coughed again after using that chicken feed on him ..lol
I have used it multiple times since with excellent results that ended the hacking cough cough cough from different horses I have owned thru the years. Never any snot or sinus drainage ... more like a tickle in the throat type of cough cough ...
You can buy 4G AUREOMYCIN CRUMBLES online, from your vet, feed store or even at walmart... do your own research and vetting to your own satisfaction .. I've never heard of a horse dying from using a chicken feed to cure a low grade respiratory infection... lol
Lots of good info here...thank you BarrelhorseUSA for taking the time to post this.... |
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Location: Beggs, OK | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-06-22 2:35 AM A lot of professional hay producers especially ones that ship across country are using nitrates and other drying products sprayed on their alfalfa when cutting it or baling it ... you can tell this chemical alfalfa easily .. it will remain bright green on all the exterior for a long time ..... instead of drying out to a tan exterior like a naturally baled alfalfa bale does .. If you want to smell what nitrates smell like ... open one of the pre cutup salad mixes in plastic bags and take a big snort.. it will make you gag .... it reduces the amount of oxygen in the bag to keep the lettuce and other veggies from rotting by increasing the amount of nitrogen in the bag.... .. Ever buy a big green head of lettuce and notice the next day it has rust spots all over the base of the leaves?? .. This lettuce was stored in refrigerated nitrogen storage areas and that is the oxygen in the air doing a quick rotting action on your lettuce ... ... Kinda like bringing your car from Arizona to Florida's rain and high humidity and watching it rust away in your driveway .. lol I have owned a large number of horses and never had one allergic to grass, alfalfa or properly baled all natural grass hay. .. there was always some other factor that created their reactions ... I think vets and doctors are getting better with steroids and other meds to mask the real problem and making a permanent patient out of horse or human .. Horses are like humans... when something smells or tastes bad they will not eat it... so take it as a warning and back up and do what you were doing before ... I remind myself of the KISS system when things happen at my barn ... Many moons ago I had a horse that would cough for no reason .. sometimes during or after working, tied or even taking a drink. He was diagnosed by several as having a dust cough from my dusty barn or dusty hay or feed or some crazy weed in my pasture. .. I had no barn, could not afford feed at the time and let horse graze the mowed grass in my big yard which I watered with well water. I was approached outside the vets clinic by a CHICKEN FARMER who gave me half a bag of medicated chicken feed crumbles with Aureomycin and advised to feed a cup of it morning and evening for 14 days with a scoop of whole oats to add saliva from horse chewing to swallow the chicken feed. Aureomycin is a med used for low grade bacterial respiratory problems with a number of animal species. Old horse never coughed again after using that chicken feed on him ..lol I have used it multiple times since with excellent results that ended the hacking cough cough cough from different horses I have owned thru the years. Never any snot or sinus drainage ... more like a tickle in the throat type of cough cough ... You can buy 4G AUREOMYCIN CRUMBLES online, from your vet, feed store or even at walmart... do your own research and vetting to your own satisfaction .. I've never heard of a horse dying from using a chicken feed to cure a low grade respiratory infection... lol
Not good advice.
Aureomycin contains Chlortetracycline and is not formulated for horses. Please don't try this just because he thinks it hasn't harmed his horses yet. Take your horses to the vet and have them allergy tested or make sure that they don't have a respiratory tract infection. Arbitrary use of antibiotics is irresponsible and quite possibly very harmful. |
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| Only barrel racers think their horses have allergies .... ask your roper husband if his horse has allergies ...
Aureomycin is the marketing name used in a family of antibiotics that have been very successful in fighting Lyme disease and chlortetracycline is the lab name for aureomycin ... they are one and the same.
If you want to boost your horses immune level ... feed 3-4 ounces of WHOLE FLAX SEED DAILY...
This is one of the better common sense articles you will find on a broad range of horse health subjects .... pay attention to the above drug when you eventually read down to ANTIBIOTICS ...
ENJOY THE READ ... BRING A SNACK AND DRINK ... lol
http://www.ag.auburn.edu/~chibale/an13horsefeeding.pdf
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Location: Beggs, OK | I don't get my veterinary advice from "ropers" any more than I consider myself a "barrel racer". My husband ropes, but he has sense enough to understand that horses are living breathing animals, and as such, are susceptive to allergic reactions. |
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| Some are allergic.. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-06-22 2:45 PM Only barrel racers think their horses have allergies .... ask your roper husband if his horse has allergies ... Aureomycin is the marketing name used in a family of antibiotics that have been very successful in fighting Lyme disease and chlortetracycline is the lab name for aureomycin ... they are one and the same. If you want to boost your horses immune level ... feed 3-4 ounces of WHOLE FLAX SEED DAILY... This is one of the better common sense articles you will find on a broad range of horse health subjects .... pay attention to the above drug when you eventually read down to ANTIBIOTICS ... ENJOY THE READ ... BRING A SNACK AND DRINK ... lol http://www.ag.auburn.edu/~chibale/an13horsefeeding.pdf
Edited by rodeomom3 2015-06-22 4:59 PM
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How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | Probably an allergy to chicken feed. |
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| I always enjoy the noise from hecklers that are used to sitting in the back of the classroom so they won't disturb the more serious students sitting in the front row.
For those of you that have had micro-biology and bio-chemistry classes you will understand when I say that Aureomycin and its cousins is the only double barreled family of antibiotics used and available today for simultaneous attacks on Gram-Negative Bacteria and Gram-Positive Bacteria.
Before most of you were born .. maybe not ...
anyway your pictures make you look very young...
Combiotic was a doubled up combination ( Penicillin and digydrostreptomycin) that would attack or starve Gram-negative bacteria and Gram-positive bacteria simultaneously. It was so good and so cheap the drug companies complained to the FDA and they demanded unending and years of testing and trials and took it off the market because it worked so well and did not make drug companies any money. As a replacement for Combiotic it now takes 3-4-5 different antibiotics to combat the Gram-negative and Gram-positive bacteria's separately while creating other problems due to a longer term use of these individualized drugs.
Aureomycin and Combiotic are similar in the sense they will overcome specific Gram-negative bacteria and Gram-positive bacteria at a low cost and both are and were affective..
I am waiting on the next fad diseases for horses ... will it be ADHD or will it be allergies from the paper feed sacks??.... Please keep me updated!!
Which reminds me ....>>
I used to have a sister in law that had every disease on TV... lol ..
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2015-06-23 2:04 AM
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| Coming back as BarrelhorseUSA doesn't make you any smarter than when you were FullThrottleDash. Giving medicated chicken feed to a horse might be the dumbest advice you have given to date. Anyone that follows that advice is an idiot. Sorry if I'm rude but that advice could very easily cause irreparable harm to a horse. |
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