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| I've having a hard time getting my new filly to catch her right lead. Once I can get her on it, she can hold it no problem. Can move from big to smaller circles, collect and move out fine, but getting her to actually pick it up is proving challenging. Are there any drills I can use to help her figure it out? Maybe I'm asking in a way she doesn't understand... I'm pushing her hip up under her, getting her nose, but she still tries to pick up the left lead. |
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| I always think about really sinking into my outside seat bone, weighting down that outside hip so they can push off it, then getting a slight tip of the nose and asking as the inside front is coming forward.
I like to first ask out of a trot until they are comfortable and first on a large balanced circle.
Also make sure she is sound chiropractically and that body soreness isn't causing her to take the wrong lead. |
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| Reiners use what htey call outside outside. They tip the nose to the outside and kick with outside foot. Like if you are going in circle to the left and want the horse to pick up the left lead, you tip the noswe to the right and kick with the right foot. THIS DOES NOT WORK THAT WELL FOR BARREL HORSES. We do inside inside. Going to the left we barely tip the horse's nose to the left and kick with the left foot.
All I can suggest is that someone started the horse like a reiner and she really does not understand what you are asking. Try very little tip with the nose and kick with inside foot. if she picks up the wrong lead, stop and try again. Probalby not going to learn in one lesson. |
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| streakysox - 2017-03-06 2:04 PM Reiners use what htey call outside outside. They tip the nose to the outside and kick with outside foot. Like if you are going in circle to the left and want the horse to pick up the left lead, you tip the noswe to the right and kick with the right foot. THIS DOES NOT WORK THAT WELL FOR BARREL HORSES. We do inside inside. Going to the left we barely tip the horse's nose to the left and kick with the left foot. All I can suggest is that someone started the horse like a reiner and she really does not understand what you are asking. Try very little tip with the nose and kick with inside foot. if she picks up the wrong lead, stop and try again. Probalby not going to learn in one lesson.
Welp, not all of us reiners use that method - maybe we are a different breed up here in the Great White North though, LOL. Myself, I never cue with nose out as I like them to be square and they tend to drop their shoulders inside once they start looking out....and it just looks ugly. All ours look to the inside of their circle.
OP - How we start ours is with really good hip control. Make sure you can get that hip moving to the right when you move your left foot back 100% of the time at a standstill - then walk - then trot. And I'm talking an obvious move to tracking the hindquarters to the right without leaning the shoulder. If you're not consistently getting her hip to the right when you cue with that left foot (leg and/or spur pressure, NOT kicking!) you are not going to get a consistent lead departure to the right. Then all it takes is a lottttttt of repetition. I have never had a problem with them learning their leads once you get the hip control solid, but you may have to go back to slower gaits first.
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| streakysox - 2017-03-06 3:04 PM
Reiners use what htey call outside outside. They tip the nose to the outside and kick with outside foot. Like if you are going in circle to the left and want the horse to pick up the left lead, you tip the noswe to the right and kick with the right foot. THIS DOES NOT WORK THAT WELL FOR BARREL HORSES. We do inside inside. Going to the left we barely tip the horse's nose to the left and kick with the left foot.
All I can suggest is that someone started the horse like a reiner and she really does not understand what you are asking. Try very little tip with the nose and kick with inside foot. if she picks up the wrong lead, stop and try again. Probalby not going to learn in one lesson.
I've never heard of reiners specifically using the "outside outside" method, you'd think that'd look really ugly and be the opposite of what they are going for.
"Inside inside" is really strange to me, wouldn't that pop their hip out and make them swing their butt?
I've always done what I suppose you would call "Inside outside". If I want the left lead, I tip their nose slightly to the left to bend their ribcage, and then drive with my outside foot so it keeps their hip and hocks underneath them and driving forward. I ride all different horses this way from green broke to dead broke and have never had issues picking up leads. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | A lot of it is timing and balance. If you ask when the feet and body are right, it's easier to get it. That said, if I have one struggling to understand what I want, I will put them on a slope and ask for a lope at the bottom of the slope just as they're stepping back up. It's really hard to take the wrong lead in that scenario. |
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| 2H~QH - 2017-03-06 2:13 PM
streakysox - 2017-03-06 2:04 PM Reiners use what htey call outside outside. They tip the nose to the outside and kick with outside foot. Like if you are going in circle to the left and want the horse to pick up the left lead, you tip the noswe to the right and kick with the right foot. THIS DOES NOT WORK THAT WELL FOR BARREL HORSES. We do inside inside. Going to the left we barely tip the horse's nose to the left and kick with the left foot. All I can suggest is that someone started the horse like a reiner and she really does not understand what you are asking. Try very little tip with the nose and kick with inside foot. if she picks up the wrong lead, stop and try again. Probalby not going to learn in one lesson.
Welp, not all of us reiners use that method - maybe we are a different breed up here in the Great White North though, LOL. Myself, I never cue with nose out as I like them to be square and they tend to drop their shoulders inside once they start looking out....and it just looks ugly. All ours look to the inside of their circle.
OP - How we start ours is with really good hip control. Make sure you can get that hip moving to the right when you move your left foot back 100% of the time at a standstill - then walk - then trot. And I'm talking an obvious move to tracking the hindquarters to the right without leaning the shoulder. If you're not consistently getting her hip to the right when you cue with that left foot (leg and/or spur pressure, NOT kicking!) you are not going to get a consistent lead departure to the right. Then all it takes is a lottttttt of repetition. I have never had a problem with them learning their leads once you get the hip control solid, but you may have to go back to slower gaits first. Â
I've been moving her hips around A LOT at a walk/stand still, and it's weird because slower, she's easier to maneuver to the right. I'll have to keep going with this. She's VERY smart and is starting to kind of/sort of understand, but maybe I'm expecting too much too soon. Thank you! |
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| WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 2:54 PM
streakysox - 2017-03-06 3:04 PM
Reiners use what htey call outside outside. They tip the nose to the outside and kick with outside foot. Like if you are going in circle to the left and want the horse to pick up the left lead, you tip the noswe to the right and kick with the right foot. THIS DOES NOT WORK THAT WELL FOR BARREL HORSES. We do inside inside. Going to the left we barely tip the horse's nose to the left and kick with the left foot.
All I can suggest is that someone started the horse like a reiner and she really does not understand what you are asking. Try very little tip with the nose and kick with inside foot. if she picks up the wrong lead, stop and try again. Probalby not going to learn in one lesson.
I've never heard of reiners specifically using the "outside outside" method, you'd think that'd look really ugly and be the opposite of what they are going for.
"Inside inside" is really strange to me, wouldn't that pop their hip out and make them swing their butt?
I've always done what I suppose you would call "Inside outside". If I want the left lead, I tip their nose slightly to the left to bend their ribcage, and then drive with my outside foot so it keeps their hip and hocks underneath them and driving forward. I ride all different horses this way from green broke to dead broke and have never had issues picking up leads.
This is what I've always done as well. I'm thinking she just doesn't quite understand it yet, so I'm going to keep working on hip/rib/shoulder control at slower gaits. I definitely don't have as much control there as I would like yet. For a minute I was thinking maybe I was crazy and doing things @$$ backwards!  |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Cut through the center of a circle sidpassing to the right at a trot. Push her into the left lead from from the sidepass position. Lift your left hand slightly when
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| I ask put a little bit of pressure on the inside rein and ask with my outside leg. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 2:54 PM streakysox - 2017-03-06 3:04 PM Reiners use what htey call outside outside. They tip the nose to the outside and kick with outside foot. Like if you are going in circle to the left and want the horse to pick up the left lead, you tip the noswe to the right and kick with the right foot. THIS DOES NOT WORK THAT WELL FOR BARREL HORSES. We do inside inside. Going to the left we barely tip the horse's nose to the left and kick with the left foot. All I can suggest is that someone started the horse like a reiner and she really does not understand what you are asking. Try very little tip with the nose and kick with inside foot. if she picks up the wrong lead, stop and try again. Probalby not going to learn in one lesson. I've never heard of reiners specifically using the "outside outside" method, you'd think that'd look really ugly and be the opposite of what they are going for. "Inside inside" is really strange to me, wouldn't that pop their hip out and make them swing their butt? I've always done what I suppose you would call "Inside outside". If I want the left lead, I tip their nose slightly to the left to bend their ribcage, and then drive with my outside foot so it keeps their hip and hocks underneath them and driving forward. I ride all different horses this way from green broke to dead broke and have never had issues picking up leads.
None of the reiners I rode were this way. Very green horses, maybe. Tip nose out to throw that shoulder in and push/kick with outside foot. My reiner started colts came home where I tip nose the way/lead I want to go and I push with outside foot. That is how I started my own and prefer it.
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| A lead comes behind. Too many people focus on shoulders. The shoulder isn't what controls that first step into a lope. If you learn how to feel for that hind leg in your seat, you know exactly what lead a colt is going to pick up with that first step. Correct it then and they figure out pretty fast what lead you are asking for. I do tip the nose slightly to the inside but I push with the outside leg to ask for the lead. |
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| dRowe - 2017-03-06 6:55 PM
I ask put a little bit of pressure on the inside rein and ask with my outside leg.
This is what I've been doing, but she doesn't yet seem to understand what exactly I'm asking from her. |
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| GoMistyGo - 2017-03-06 4:49 PM
 Cut through the center of a circle sidpassing to the right at a trot.  Push her into the left lead from from the sidepass position.  Lift your left hand slightly when
you cue for the lope.
I'll have to try this. Her left is usually pretty easy for her to catch, but I don't think I'm being too bold in assuming I would do the same thing by sidepassing to the left and pushing her into the right lead. Thank you! |
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