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Location: United States | I have a very nice 7 year old mare that has tied up for the 2nd time in 2 years. The first time happened almost exactly a year ago to the day, early spring and after 30 days of back to work after winter break. Both times were mild cases. The first one was after the first time I hand galloped her through a pattern, and this week it was when we turned her out in the arena and she was playing hard. Both times she over exerted herself and wasn't all the way fit yet.
I have the time and money to manage her, she is very much worth the effort. She is an easy keeper and currently is on a hay rationer (1 cup 1x a day) along with mineral blocks. She gets 1st cutting hay (I have access to 2nd and 3rd.) Last year I hauled her/entered her for 8 months with no problems. I don't feed her much because she just doesn't require it.
I plan on working her 7 days week to help manage this and she is brought in late at night and turned out early morning. I would like to know the ULTIMATE diet, drug or exercise program that I can offer her.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Always cool out at a walk. This allows the acid that is produced in the muscle to spread out through the whole body the same way a road apple is broken down. VITAMIN E feeds these muscles and should be a daily supplement . I use pure vitamin E so it can be added to any feed any time without adding additional selenium that could cause toxicity. A good multivitamin in addition to. |
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Location: United States | I agree Cheryl but cant I just manage her like a PSSM horse? She is my main mount and isn't going anywhere, nor will she be bred.
I feed her 1 cup of tribute essential K and 1st cutting. She is a very easy keeper. Very happy horse. I just purchased a bag of Max-E-Glo pellet along with electrolytes and vitamin E selenium. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Don't feed alfalfa and only very low starch feeds. I'm trying Product X this year, I've heard its good for muscle health. |
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Location: OH. IO | all the turn out she can get is good. Watch adding vit e And selenium as your tribute suppliment is for horses that tie up so make sure you dont add too much.
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Location: ARKANSAS | i have a 22 year old gelding that is VERY MUSCULAR and an easy keeper as well, he is prone to tieing up and did so when he was about 14 yrs old. Poor baby would not take a step forward at all. I called my vet and he had me put him on vitamin E and Selenium, which he gets 1 tablespoon of this day, and he also gets MSM ( 1 scoop daily) and he is fed Stratgy healthy edge 3cups morning and night...this STOPPED HIM from tieing up he NEVER DID IT AGAIN... plus he is turned out at all times and has acess to hay 24/7.
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Location: United States | Happy Easter! He is Risen!
Thank you all for your advice, suggestions, are sharing what you do. She is very muscular also, large body mass.
Is there anything I can give her before we make a run, or after a run? I have already started the selenium and Vit. E, electrolytes, and will add msm and ALCAR? Maybe some oil? I don't want to overkill but from March thru November I want her feeling her best.
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Location: ARKANSAS | make sure when you get the msm it is 99.9 per cent pure MSM... it will have a little scoop in the container and give one of those scoops daily in her feed along with the vitamin e and selenium...i never gave anything before a run, i just did a lot of walking then trotted him and got him loose before i loped to warm him up and then cooled down in the same fashion and i never had any more problems.... also i would give her a week .or 2 off till you get her on this regimen good before i started working her again to let it get in her system good.
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| I would try getting him on Renew Gold. It is low starch, low sugar and no grain. Then feed Timothy/alfalfa. This has worked on my one that tyes up. Also use Bio Vigor liquid Minerals.
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My main barrel horse was tying up random, always had tight sore muscles over the lumbar area and hamstrings. Vet and friend both suggested changing his diet to the "PSSM Diet" (which I found a ton of info on the Fb page). It has been night and day since the diet changes. He isn't sore, everything softened up, no random temper tantrums. I have a new horse!
I added Alfalfa pellets, ALCAR, Magnesium and Vit E to his Renew gold, Every horse is different when it comes to what works and the amounts. |
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| pippy - 2015-04-04 7:12 AM
I have a very nice 7 year old mare that has tied up for the 2nd time in 2 years. The first time happened almost exactly a year ago to the day, early spring and after 30 days of back to work after winter break. Both times were mild cases. The first one was after the first time I hand galloped her through a pattern, and this week it was when we turned her out in the arena and she was playing hard. Both times she over exerted herself and wasn't all the way fit yet.
I have the time and money to manage her, she is very much worth the effort. She is an easy keeper and currently is on a hay rationer (1 cup 1x a day) along with mineral blocks. She gets 1st cutting hay (I have access to 2nd and 3rd.) Last year I hauled her/entered her for 8 months with no problems. I don't feed her much because she just doesn't require it.
I plan on working her 7 days week to help manage this and she is brought in late at night and turned out early morning. I would like to know the ULTIMATE diet, drug or exercise program that I can offer her.
Thank you!
I think you answered your own question. Both times you have had an out of shape horse that over exerted itself. It may take 2-3 months of pasture and trail riding to get this horse legged up properly before thinking of arena exercise or pattering faster than a trot for a couple of times after you go pasture riding and then a very methodical cool down walk.
On a horse that is tied up ... do not force them to walk .. other than to a safe place a short distance away. There can be muscle damage done while they are having a muscle spasm. Use gloved hands or a soft towel to give horse a good firm wiping down all over his body in the direction of their feet. This can help relax the muscles. Water therapy with a hard thumb pressure spray is also helpful.
Once horse is relaxed enough to move on his own when asked gently put him in a pen or pasture where he can walk around and a dose of bute and for the next 2 days with nothing but gentle hand walking .. his whole body is sore from the muscle spasms .. so take care of any soreness pain so he does not associate it with working hard on a barrel pattern or in an arena... and go sour on you.
I find it interesting at the many odd combinations and extreme suggestions given about horse ailments. .. Always check what human doctors recommend or do to human patients will also apply to horses ... this is where the vets get screwed up when they try to make special cases out of what is affecting a horse. Take note that your horse meds all come from human meds used for treating the same problems.
By using good simple balanced supplement of vitamins and minerals in the correct ratio like GroStrong with salt intake usually cures the problems as long as the horse is in good working condition ... potassium and magnesium are very important to keep your horse
from having spasms .. along with salt and lots of water.
I think you will find this human med report on Charley Horses in the calves of your legs interesting and how the same would work on a horse......
.. only thing different is to not force your horse to move around while all stove up ... giving Lasix to a horse is a good example of how tying up affects a horse and of course this is why Lasix should be administered 4 hours or more before the intended exertion in the proper amount ...
Read and compare horses to humans ..
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/muscle-spasms-cramps-charley-h...
The pain associated with having a charley horse is one step under having a child or passing a kidney stone ... lol
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Location: United States | Thank you everyone and barrel horse USA |
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