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Location: Pa | I got a new horse a few months ago, she was ran by a 13 year old girl and she was just to much horse for her . This mare has stone solid slow work. She knows what she's supposed to do. She will walk, and trot the pattern perfectly . But when I ask her to lope around the barrel, she just bucks a circle around it .. She is sound and soreness shouldn't be the problem because she bends fine at a slower pace. I can lope small circles without a barrel also. Could she just be lazy? How do I fix this issue. She was vet checked before I bought her. |
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| Ovaries? Saddle fit? Stifle issue? I couldn't imagine it being an attitude problem or you would probably see it in slow work too. try loping small circles away from the barrel and see what reaction she has. Same type of turn just no barrel there... |
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| It really sounds like kissing spines to me. That is not something that they would do ni a pre-purchase vet check. |
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| I would say a soundness issue, sometimes issues only show up at higher speeds, you mare may be stoic at slow speeds, but the pain gets too bad at faster speeds.
The vet check, did you flex, block, and xray? Also was the horse in shape when vet checked, as I have seen horses vet check sound with flexion tests then when legged back up and fit, the horse is grade 3-4 on the lameness scale when flexed |
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Location: CTX | My mare knows her job. I really don't need to do slow work with her, just keep her legged up. If I do go in the patern outside a race she will crow hop around the barrels, to let me know she really doesn't like it. And if I insist she gets ****y..
Might be a soundness issue, but if she is sound, maybe she doesn't need any slow work..
Does she also do it in a run? Or just in a lope?
Edited by cranky B4 10am 2015-05-11 11:02 AM
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| My sister bought a horse several years ago that fits the description of your's to a tee. I think the little girl that was riding him was 8 or 9 at the time. She had been riding the majority of her life and decided she wanted to start running barrels. These were the kind of people who tried to buy wins so her mom went out, spent boo-coos on a horse and bought her the best horse she could find. The horse had perfect slow work as you explained and was even good for the first couple months they had him. The little girl was intimidated by the horse's speed and ability and tried to hold him up in the pattern. He started being very naughty around the barrels when held back. He would buck between and around the barrels usually shedding his tiny rider in the process. Whether he bucked her off or not they would instantly put him away so he developed a terrible habit.
They ended up paying my sister to try to fix him and she wound up buying him for half what they paid. They just wanted rid of him because the little girl didn't want to ride him anymore and they were having an problem selling him due to his new found habit.
She found that when actually running the horse he was fine, but when being held up he got ****y and resentful. My sister spent a lot of time on the pattern with him before he would stop his little tantrum. There was a lot of loping involved around the barrels both in the pattern and in drills. Eventually he stopped his shenanigans and now you can put almost anyone on him at any speed around the barrels.
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Location: Pa | Thank you everyone. Ill look into all of it. |
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Location: Central Texas | My gelding started crow hopping in his turns, found out he was developing navicular issues and the torque in the turns was just enough to cause pain that he didn't want to over look. This was the only real place it appeared. He showed no issues in flat or normal work, only in the barrel turns. |
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| I would definitely say, there's probably pain somewhere! |
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| My gelding does it on hard ground. He's a digger, and when he can't get purchase, he hops along in the back end. He doesn't do it in warm ups at a race where the ground is worked and he doesn't do it during his runs.
Made working at home fun in the beginning stages of his training, because when he'd hop, he'd get out position. So I'm so glad he's now finished and I don' t have to work much at home other than general exercise! |
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| Is it just around the barrels? Or is it circles in general? If it's the former I think it's probably either laziness or something that someone did to her while training that made her angry or wanting to avoid the pattern. If the latter, I am in agreeance that it might be soreness or kissing spines. |
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| streakysox - 2015-05-11 10:49 AM
It really sounds like kissing spines to me. That is not something that they would do ni a pre-purchase vet check.
KS or some other back issue. Back issues are the number 1 reason for bucking. And although this isn't a usual pre purchase xray, after 2 back issues in a row, it will be for me now.
You need a clinic based xray machine to get the detail on this. A hand held, less detailed machine won't show it.
It's not a career ending thing, there are treatments for it that can be successful. See if you can't get her somewhere to check this out.
Good luck. |
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Location: Pa | I cannot afford X-rays right now, I tried loping small cercles . She is fine she just is refusing the pattern . Now her trick is to just lay down instead of moving forward ... She will all the sudden refuse to move her feet but she'll back up real fast and lay down . |
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| I understand the finance issues, but you've got a pain issue on your hands, and until you find the cause....and I'd start with spine xrays, my guess is that you're only making things worse. Imagine if you had pain issues and someone kept making you do something that really, really hurt....that's what this horse is going through.
Good Luck.
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| Izzy+coy - 2015-05-16 5:45 PM
I cannot afford X-rays right now, I tried loping small cercles . She is fine she just is refusing the pattern . Now her trick is to just lay down instead of moving forward ... She will all the sudden refuse to move her feet but she'll back up real fast and lay down .
Loping and running are not the same.
If you cannot afford X-rays, then I suggest not riding her till you have saved up enough to take her to a qualified vet to do a thorough exam.
The appropriate tests, and treatment, I would suggest saving 1500-2000 before going, this will be a start.
If you don't want to sink the money into her, then sell her and find a different horse |
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