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| I have a colt that has a pretty decent handle. I can move her shoulders, hips, counter bend, etc...but her circles need some work. I have done tons of round pen work with her. I usually bit her back to the saddle and ask her to trot and lope circles in the roundpen. She was riding fine until I sent her off to the trainer and I don't know what happened to her there. She refused to use her rear end when I picked her back up. Since then I have done a lot of stopping and backing but her progress is slow. I was hoping to get her started on barrels in the next month and that doesn't look like a possibility. What drills do you guys do to get them driving forward and working off their butt? What about loping smooth confident circles? Thanks for any input! |
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| Rollbacks are great to get them to rock back and use their hind end. I lope a circle and go into the wall at an angle woah and rollback and go opposite direction, keep changing up direction. |
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| Counter Arch while loping in circles |
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Location: Bandera, TX | euchee - 2015-07-07 9:16 PM Counter Arch while loping in circles
I find the counter arcs help in stretching the loins and the psoas muscles that can get very tight and cause great difficulty in the horse rounding the hindquarters underneath themselves. Have you checked the horse for soreness over this area? If tight PM me and I can give you some exercises to help loosen the area. |
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Location: Missouri | Have you talked to the trainer?
What was she being trained to do (since you stated she was already riding nicely)? |
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Location: on my horse | uno-dos-tres I sent you a PM, its stuck in my outbox but i have hope eventually you'll get it lol. to the OP I've been having a somewhat similar issue but didn't want to steal your thread |
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| She was green broke when I sent her off for 30 days. We talked numerous times about her progress during the 30 days and needless to say, he lied about basically everything. My horse had cuts and scrapes ALL over her back legs. I was not a happy lady when I saw the final result. She also has a head phobia now, but we have worked through it and she allows me to slide things over her ears but I am the only person. It is very frustrating when people tell you one thing, downright lie, talk about themselves like they are god's gift to horses, and then you pick up YOUR animal that they should have been treating better than their own and find all this out. Sorry about the rant! Thanks for your input though. I have been working on roll backs but just wanted to know if there is anything else out there that people mix it up with. |
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Location: Missouri | I'm sorry that happened to you.
I would find a better trainer, one that can help her through whatever mis-handling she received and help you learn how to accomplish your goals.
IMO, bitting her back isn't necessary or useful in your situation. You are not developing "feel" or timing, and it sounds as if she already knows to give to the bit. As far as loping circles, they just have to do it. And, it's not pretty when they start. A loop in the rein and just lope, until they want to come back to you some. Eventually, you can teach her to collect and drive from behind, but that sounds much more advanced than her current ability.
Good luck!
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Location: South MS | 1goodride - 2015-07-07 8:35 PM I have a colt that has a pretty decent handle. I can move her shoulders, hips, counter bend, etc...but her circles need some work. I have done tons of round pen work with her. I usually bit her back to the saddle and ask her to trot and lope circles in the roundpen. She was riding fine until I sent her off to the trainer and I don't know what happened to her there. She refused to use her rear end when I picked her back up. Since then I have done a lot of stopping and backing but her progress is slow. I was hoping to get her started on barrels in the next month and that doesn't look like a possibility. What drills do you guys do to get them driving forward and working off their butt? What about loping smooth confident circles? Thanks for any input!
I do forward laterals with them
I also do (driving spirals) - Which is basically the corkscrew exercise but instead of dropping to a trot in the center I use a little handwhip and speed them up to drive like a spin in the middle |
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Location: sunny california | If this horse was handled rough you might wnat to have her checked out before possibly asking her to do something she is incapable of doing. she could very well be hurt. you said her back legs are all scraped up? she might have pulled something. |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | kwanatha - 2015-07-12 7:28 AM If this horse was handled rough you might wnat to have her checked out before possibly asking her to do something she is incapable of doing. she could very well be hurt. you said her back legs are all scraped up? she might have pulled something.
This. Could be soreness from injury or could just be good old fashioned muscle sore if she wasn't treated well at the trainers. |
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Location: South MS | 1goodride - 2015-07-07 8:35 PM I have a colt that has a pretty decent handle. I can move her shoulders, hips, counter bend, etc...but her circles need some work. I have done tons of round pen work with her. I usually bit her back to the saddle and ask her to trot and lope circles in the roundpen. She was riding fine until I sent her off to the trainer and I don't know what happened to her there. She refused to use her rear end when I picked her back up. Since then I have done a lot of stopping and backing but her progress is slow. I was hoping to get her started on barrels in the next month and that doesn't look like a possibility. What drills do you guys do to get them driving forward and working off their butt? What about loping smooth confident circles? Thanks for any input!
I do forward laterals with them
I also do (driving spirals) - Which is basically the corkscrew exercise but instead of dropping to a trot in the center I use a little handwhip and speed them up to drive like a spin in the middle |
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Location: West Texas | I find people are always looking for drills to help this or that. Drills are fine, but its not the drill but how you ride them that counts. If you want the horse to use its hind end, you will have to know how to ask for it and that does take a bit of skill and feel. No drill in the world will teach it, by itself.
Actually, circles and squares are just fine. You have to pick up shoulders and use your feet to encourage rounding of the back and hind end engagement. Need to sit deep in the saddle and it is time consuming, you have to do it a lot. Start small sessions at first and build up to all the time. You also have to let them go to help them keep it on their own, then go back to lifting/driving when they fall out. |
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| Get a vet to go over her. Pay attention to the little things, did they trainer have hard ground, go back to very simple things at a walk stopping backing rolling over the hocks, Troy crummine does a move that may help its on a YouTube clip of a clinic he did in Mexico, i like magic cushion a few times a week and keep those soles hard. |
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| Tdove seems to have a good understanding always release ! |
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