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Location: North Dakota | Just whole oats and whole flax. I have added renew gold to my mare's whole oats before but haven't been lately. Minerals and vitamins should come from your hay or pasture. Dr. Schell has articles on this as to why he doesn't supplement any vit or minerals. |
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Location: Texas | I do one coffee mug of alfalfa pellets + one coffee mug of whole oats. I add in Reithoof from Horsetech. I have experimented over many years with not feeding any synthetic vitamin & mineral supplements. Every time I have NOT fed any my horses coats get burnt looking and fish hooky. I guess due to the hay, pasture and soil conditions in my area, I have found that my horses need the high levels of copper & zinc. Reithoof supplies this in good quantities to balance my hay without adding any additional iron. Goes against my pilosophy of all natural, but I have to do what works. I figure it is only a tiny amount though so gotta do what works.
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Location: MS | I'm feeding mine with Renew Gold and dehydrated alfalfa. I also feed DAC racehorse formula.
And tons of hay.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Whole Oats and Flax. I also have the Himalayan salt in their stalls :) |
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Location: NE Texas | I feed with a half scoop of whole oats and one cup BOSS with alfalfa hay. You will not need any additional vitamins and minerals, but it's important to feed a very high quality forage, as would be the case with any program.
Check out the discussion last week on the Office Hours page on Facebook with Tigger Montague of BioStar whole foods. She and Dr. Schell discuss together nutrition and why vitamins and minerals should come from whole foods, not from synthetic sources (China, coal mines, etc). |
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Location: North Dakota | Herbie - 2016-11-29 1:32 PM
I feed with a half scoop of whole oats and one cup BOSS with alfalfa hay. You will not need any additional vitamins and minerals, but it's important to feed a very high quality forage, as would be the case with any program.
Check out the discussion last week on the Office Hours page on Facebook with Tigger Montague of BioStar whole foods. She and Dr. Schell discuss together nutrition and why vitamins and minerals should come from whole foods, not from synthetic sources (China, coal mines, etc).
I looked into some of Tigger's products at BioStarus.com and she has some vit and mineral formulas that are made from whole foods that I have recently looked into. I am at a boarding barn and do not get to completely control the quality of hay. That is the only vit and min product I would be comfortable feeding after learning how most others are made.
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| eek!.. . I don't feel comfortable not adding some sort of vitamin mineral. I feed a mostly grass with a little alfalfa mix hay. I have harsh winters so they are only on decent pasture for 6 months or so out of the year. |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | I have loose salt and minerals available and they eat it pretty consistantly. My horses look better than they ever have on it. My one gelding has been on it about 3 weeks now and he looks fantastic even without riding. My mare I have had on almost a year and she also looks great. |
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Location: Willows, CA | MidWest1452 - 2016-11-29 3:25 PM
Herbie - 2016-11-29 1:32 PM
I feed with a half scoop of whole oats and one cup BOSS with alfalfa hay. You will not need any additional vitamins and minerals, but it's important to feed a very high quality forage, as would be the case with any program.
Check out the discussion last week on the Office Hours page on Facebook with Tigger Montague of BioStar whole foods. She and Dr. Schell discuss together nutrition and why vitamins and minerals should come from whole foods, not from synthetic sources (China, coal mines, etc).
I looked into some of Tigger's products at BioStarus.com and she has some vit and mineral formulas that are made from whole foods that I have recently looked into. I am at a boarding barn and do not get to completely control the quality of hay. That is the only vit and min product I would be comfortable feeding after learning how most others are made.
Tigger's products are very high quality. |
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| winwillows - 2016-12-01 10:12 AM
MidWest1452 - 2016-11-29 3:25 PM
Herbie - 2016-11-29 1:32 PM
I feed with a half scoop of whole oats and one cup BOSS with alfalfa hay. You will not need any additional vitamins and minerals, but it's important to feed a very high quality forage, as would be the case with any program.
Check out the discussion last week on the Office Hours page on Facebook with Tigger Montague of BioStar whole foods. She and Dr. Schell discuss together nutrition and why vitamins and minerals should come from whole foods, not from synthetic sources (China, coal mines, etc).
I looked into some of Tigger's products at BioStarus.com and she has some vit and mineral formulas that are made from whole foods that I have recently looked into. I am at a boarding barn and do not get to completely control the quality of hay. That is the only vit and min product I would be comfortable feeding after learning how most others are made.
Tigger's products are very high quality.
I have switched my gelding to Tigger's Biostar Optimum Sr. and the Circuvate because, although he looked and felt great, his sole just would not toughen up. One month later my barefoot trimmer could not believe the amount of sole he had grown. He can walk on the caliche road now.
Another reason I switched is because I don't always have access to high quality forage and I wanted a vitamin mineral supplement. |
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Location: Willows, CA | GLP - 2017-05-07 9:11 PM
winwillows - 2016-12-01 10:12 AM
MidWest1452 - 2016-11-29 3:25 PM
Herbie - 2016-11-29 1:32 PM
I feed with a half scoop of whole oats and one cup BOSS with alfalfa hay. You will not need any additional vitamins and minerals, but it's important to feed a very high quality forage, as would be the case with any program.
Check out the discussion last week on the Office Hours page on Facebook with Tigger Montague of BioStar whole foods. She and Dr. Schell discuss together nutrition and why vitamins and minerals should come from whole foods, not from synthetic sources (China, coal mines, etc).
I looked into some of Tigger's products at BioStarus.com and she has some vit and mineral formulas that are made from whole foods that I have recently looked into. I am at a boarding barn and do not get to completely control the quality of hay. That is the only vit and min product I would be comfortable feeding after learning how most others are made.
Tigger's products are very high quality.
I have switched my gelding to Tigger's Biostar Optimum Sr. and the Circuvate because, although he looked and felt great, his sole just would not toughen up. One month later my barefoot trimmer could not believe the amount of sole he had grown. He can walk on the caliche road now.
Another reason I switched is because I don't always have access to high quality forage and I wanted a vitamin mineral supplement.
I did an interview two weeks ago for her program about feed contamination. I wish her radio program was more widely available.
It is always a pleasure to work with her. |
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Location: Texas | Herbie - 2016-11-29 1:32 PM I feed with a half scoop of whole oats and one cup BOSS with alfalfa hay. You will not need any additional vitamins and minerals, but it's important to feed a very high quality forage, as would be the case with any program.
Check out the discussion last week on the Office Hours page on Facebook with Tigger Montague of BioStar whole foods. She and Dr. Schell discuss together nutrition and why vitamins and minerals should come from whole foods, not from synthetic sources (China, coal mines, etc).
I specifically asked Tigger if I needed additional minerals other than the Curost Total & Immune. From my research on the ingrediants in the Curost products it seemed to me I needed additional minerals, since I know my hay & pastures are low in zinc & copper. I wanted a whole foods perspective but from someone not associated with Curost. I know Tigger has her own products to sell, but I don't think she would advise me that I needed it if I really didn't. Below is her response:
Total Equine and Immune Support are not multi vitamin/mineral formulas, as you know. These two formulas of Tom’s are quite specific for respiratory, immune challenges, even some connective tissue support. They are not a “generalized”, multi-faceted supplement like a multi-vitamin/mineral.
Do horses need a multivitamin/mineral? Yes. I say this not because my company makes Optimum, but because Optimum is the result of looking at analysis of hays, and forages and seeing the real lack of some important nutrients particularly micro minerals.
If Tom’s products are working well for you, and it sounds like they are, since your horse is back to barrel racing, I don’t think discontinuing them would be a good idea. And I absolutely understand the cost challenges, particularly adding yet another supplement like Optimum. You could go to a free choice loose mineral salt mix like Rush Creek, but the reality is those minerals are just ground up rocks, with low bioavailability. However, they are significantly less expensive than a plant sourced mineral complex like Optimum.
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Location: NE Texas | TBone - 2017-05-10 9:13 AM Herbie - 2016-11-29 1:32 PM I feed with a half scoop of whole oats and one cup BOSS with alfalfa hay. You will not need any additional vitamins and minerals, but it's important to feed a very high quality forage, as would be the case with any program.
Check out the discussion last week on the Office Hours page on Facebook with Tigger Montague of BioStar whole foods. She and Dr. Schell discuss together nutrition and why vitamins and minerals should come from whole foods, not from synthetic sources (China, coal mines, etc). I specifically asked Tigger if I needed additional minerals other than the Curost Total & Immune. From my research on the ingrediants in the Curost products it seemed to me I needed additional minerals, since I know my hay & pastures are low in zinc & copper. I wanted a whole foods perspective but from someone not associated with Curost. I know Tigger has her own products to sell, but I don't think she would advise me that I needed it if I really didn't. Below is her response:
Total Equine and Immune Support are not multi vitamin/mineral formulas, as you know. These two formulas of Tom’s are quite specific for respiratory, immune challenges, even some connective tissue support. They are not a “generalized”, multi-faceted supplement like a multi-vitamin/mineral.
Do horses need a multivitamin/mineral? Yes. I say this not because my company makes Optimum, but because Optimum is the result of looking at analysis of hays, and forages and seeing the real lack of some important nutrients particularly micro minerals.
If Tom’s products are working well for you, and it sounds like they are, since your horse is back to barrel racing, I don’t think discontinuing them would be a good idea. And I absolutely understand the cost challenges, particularly adding yet another supplement like Optimum. You could go to a free choice loose mineral salt mix like Rush Creek, but the reality is those minerals are just ground up rocks, with low bioavailability. However, they are significantly less expensive than a plant sourced mineral complex like Optimum.
I agree with her if you're not able to get very high quality forage. For me, that is the staple of my program, first and foremost, is the highest quality forage I can afford to buy. The oats are just a medium in which to mix my cur-ost. If I didn't have access to the kind and quality of hay that I do, I would absolutely add in a whole food based vitamin/mineral product like hers if I wasn't getting the improvement or felt like there was a missing peace.
I guess I should have stated my post differently before. I should not have said that IMO you would not need an additional vit/min product IF the quality of your forage is where it needs to be. I haven't used Tigger's products, but I absolutely wouldn't hesitate to if it were in my budget and I felt like there was a void in my forage. Have to remember also that herbs themselves have vitamins/minerals as well that must be accounted for in the entire program.
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