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| OregonBR - 2019-03-01 2:28 PM
Easy Rider what is the point of all this arguing? Some people have gotten relief from their anxiety about their horses when they find out they have XXX or yyy. They change the feed and the horse gets relief. If you don't believe in it, fine. Don't test. Go on your merry way. Be happy. It's your choice. But don't tell others not to consider it when they haven't found answers after thousands in vet bills. P2 is something that has a test that is cheaper than most vet procedures. Maybe people should eliminate P2 before they go down every rabbit hole the vet wants to try. It could be part of every PP exam.
Sweet feed has nothing to do with P2. P1 is what you're thinking of. Every horse should be tested for P1 or their parents should before they are bred.
Not to argue, but where did I tell others not to test? I’m voicing my opinion, just like everyone else?maybe I was wrong and thought it was ok over here to voice my opinion but I guess it’s like the fb page. It’s ok, I’m done. Test if you want, don’t if you don’t want, and thanks for all the things I’ve learned from this thread. And no thats not what I was thinking, but I’m done I won’t bother you all anymore | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | appycowgirl - 2019-03-02 10:28 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2019-03-01 2:37 PM
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wyoming barrel racer - 2019-02-25 2:05 PM
I have to agree with Easy Rider. It got to be a witch hunt and if a horse did anything wrong it was blamed on PSSM. In fact, after reading some of the posts, my bet is half the people are novices and when Princess Sophia is naughty, they don't want to consider it's because she is fresh...or just being a chestnut mare 
That’s why I got off there, it was never a horse just being a butt that day, it was never an abscess it was just blame everything on PSSM when a lot that I seen gave me no flag on PSSM. But more of the chestnut mare lol
but if you tried to say have u looked at..... they grill you at the stakes. I find so much more information over here where adults can talk, share and agree to disagree if that’s the case.
Boy, I sure WISH it had only been a day of my one mare "being a butt"! She went from being a delight to ride as a 5 year old when I bought her to a total nightmare at age 6 - bucking, spooking, bolting, refusing to flex, pick up her leads anymore, off & on strange lamenesses, became horrible for the farrier to work on & lost tons of muscle mass. Had her 5 Panel tested & was n/n on all. Vets, chiro, etc were no help at all! Of course, I was told she was "just" being a butt, had my number; getting away with things, etc. I seriously started questioning all my years of experience & had a good trainer ride her. She got WORSE. Brought her home & she was losing more muscle mass, started having muscle twitches. It was very obvious she was in pain & there was nothing I could find to help her. I had talked to the vet about putting her down since I just couldn't stand to see her suffer. Then I stumbled onto the PSSM Forum (who I find VERY helpful) and after reading, wondered if I'd found some answers. I sent in hair - that was back when it took MONTHS to get results, but in the mean time, I started changing her diet to what was suggested while I waited on results. (she had been on good quality grass hay, pasture, rolled barley). She came back n/P2. I have my horse back, she looks like a million bucks again, is happy & comfortable. I am one of the LUCKY ones since not all respond to diet change, etc & they can all be so different in what they each require. I am thankful for Equiseq's testing & so many of us being able to find out what is wrong with our horses & help them, vs dumping them like many do, passing them off on someone else, not giving a **** that they are in pain, etc.
The only time I've seen someone get resistance on the PSSM Forum is when they go on there with their guns drawn, determined to "disprove" any & all. That always raises a red flag for me ... why are they so determined to undermine this? I've realized now why many do.
I do believe it is a thing. But it's like the old hospital records where you look up cause of death and everyone had consumption. I still wonder if my beloved Audie has one of the types. He is NN on his 5 panel. He has had odd lameness/soreness. I have always fed what would be a PSSM diet though and we are on the right track. Cost prohibits me from testing him. He has been naughty before and getting after him just made him a bigger arse. But he was also very green broke. So who knows. I am not saying it isn't a thing, I think it is. But I also think a big percentage of those people on the PSSM facebook page have gone overboard. A witch hunt like I mentioned before. The only thing that will fix any of this is if they EVER have peer reviewed studies of the test.
They are working towards getting it peer reviewed but there is some road blocks and one I was just made aware of the other day, I was like humm. Seems that one lab, and it's not Animal Genetics, was sued by the Univeristy of MN for running the PSSM 1 testing after it was patented by the University of MN because they hadn't gotten licensed. So, this lab likes to pirate things and not pay for it and the cost to take them to court is high. They had been running the PSSM 1 testing prior to being patented and at that time, because the University of MN didnt have a patent, anyone could do the testing and not pay patent royalties. It took 10 years for the University of MN get a patent on the PSSM type 1 testing.
Also, I'm sure that when EquiSeq first started doing this gene research off of the horses with positive muscle biopsies, they didnt realise how extensive this was going to be. It would be easy enough to publish on what they have, but with them discovering more genes, the paper wouldn't be complete because there is more to come. Heck, even with P2, P3, P4, P5, P6, P8 and K1, they still have horses with positive muscle biopsies that are negative for all of these genes. It's truly amazing at how much of a dumping ground the diagnosis of PSSM type 2 through a muscle biopsy was. It's also very scary how many genes are out there that are creating muscle myopathy diseases and some are monogenic and some are polygenic.
And I think it is most likely just a tip of the iceberg. I think in the future they will come up with genetics that cause bleeders, premature joint breakdown, laminitis etc etc. There is no end. Look at all the issues they have traced to genetics in people! I had a hand surgery, carpal tunnel and trigger release under all 5 fingers on my right hand. Should have been a simple normal deal, but the scar tissue under my thumb and pinkie finger grew a bit more than normal and stayed sensitive. Find out it is because of my Scandinavian heritage via Scots/Irish. | |
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Location: Kansas / South Dakota | Not to get off topic here, but is anyone aware of any success stories with confirmed PSSM 2 horses at the bigger barrel races/in the rodeo world? | |
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