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| I bought this goat on November 5th. She has been in quarantine since arriving home. She was fine Monday morning but when I checked her Tuesday morning she had this sore on the corner of her mouth. I read that sore mouth has a 4 to 8 day incubation. None of my other goats have it including the other whether that is in quarantine with her. Could it be something else? She does not have a fever and is eating and drinking without an any issues. During my morning check this morning it seemed like the swelling had gone down some but I didn't have my phone to get pictures. She does have a heat lamp that she loves and I am wondering if she might have tried to eat it and burned her lips, however the lesions are in a weird spot for that.
I did vaccinate her for CDT a week ago and because she came down with shipping fever from the drastic temperature changes the week we got her, she got a full 5 days of LA200 from the 6th through the 10th of November.
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Location: Montgomery TX | It does look suspiciously like sore mouth to me. But my mom is the resident goat lady/expert, not I.....  |
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| That is "sore mouth" or ORF. It is in the early stages and the sores haven't broken yet.
more info - http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/integumentary_system/contagious_e...
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Location: No Man's Land | Yes it is. The best thing that we have found to work is get a bottle of nolvasan and a syringe. 2-3 times a day squirt it on it and in their mouth. Seperate any goats from the one infected.
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| kanchaser - 2016-12-08 12:37 PM
Yes it is. The best thing that we have found to work is get a bottle of nolvasan and a syringe. 2-3 times a day squirt it on it and in their mouth. Seperate any goats from the one infected.
Ok I will seperate her and the pen mate. Man, this sucks. I am not sure if our feed stores carry nolvasan but I will check. |
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Location: No Man's Land | Off brand works too. But normally we have to treat it for a week or two. We are just aggresive in our treatment of show lambs. There is a vaccine for it but I have never used it. |
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| kanchaser - 2016-12-08 12:49 PM
Off brand works too. But normally we have to treat it for a week or two. We are just aggresive in our treatment of show lambs. There is a vaccine for it but I have never used it.
Thank you for the information! She is due to kid in the next couple weeks too. What precautions should I take? Should I catch her babies and not her clean them or nurse? I can get and freeze colostrum from a clean goat of my friends that is suppose to kid this week. |
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| I'm interested in this also. We raise goats (250 head!!). So far we haven't encountered this yet. I want to store this info in the back of my mind just in case. Are there a lot of goat people on this board? Would love to share goat tips. We raised sheep for a lot of years and went strictly to goats & it's been such a learning curve for us. Hope your girl gets better soon! I LOVE me some goats! |
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Location: Arkansas | cyount2009 - 2016-12-08 1:59 PM
kanchaser - 2016-12-08 12:49 PM
Off brand works too. But normally we have to treat it for a week or two. We are just aggresive in our treatment of show lambs. There is a vaccine for it but I have never used it.
Thank you for the information! She is due to kid in the next couple weeks too. What precautions should I take? Should I catch her babies and not her clean them or nurse? I can get and freeze colostrum from a clean goat of my friends that is suppose to kid this week.
I know absolutely nothing about goats but hoping she gets well soon and it doesn't affect her baby when it gets here. |
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| cyount2009 - 2016-12-08 1:59 PM
kanchaser - 2016-12-08 12:49 PM
Off brand works too. But normally we have to treat it for a week or two. We are just aggresive in our treatment of show lambs. There is a vaccine for it but I have never used it.
Thank you for the information! She is due to kid in the next couple weeks too. What precautions should I take? Should I catch her babies and not her clean them or nurse? I can get and freeze colostrum from a clean goat of my friends that is suppose to kid this week.
Is this her first kidding? If so, let her mother. Leave her alone and let her clean them and nurse them - you'll thank yourself the next time she kids.
Honestly - this stuff is now on your place and it isn't going to just go away by quarantine. The kids will have it, other goats will get it, and since you handled her in the picture - you had it on your hands and it is probably all over your place. Let it run its course - it can get nasty if the kids "chew" on her teats and open sores there as her udder skin can get infected, that's when we really wash udders with nolvasan and keep them in clean dry straw.
We vaccinate lambs when we wean - (we wear gloves to handle this) just scrape the skin on the inside rear flank, paint on the product and let them go - the virus will materialize in that location only and keeps the lambs on feed and gaining weight. It is easily obtained from your vet.
Sore mouth is nasty and there are several "types" floating around out there - the vaccine doesn't prevent all of them but can temper the responses seen in your herd.
If you want this crap dried up and gone ASAP - this is a bit unorthodox but does work - soak burlap in turpentine, rub the sores with the soaked rag until they start to weep/open. The sores will be dried up in 24-48 hours.
Feel free to PM me with questions - I am a 3rd generation sheep producer and we've had goats for about 3 years now. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | I've never had a case personally and I'm by no means a goat expert, but I agree with LindsayLou...I'd still leave her with the kids. The virus can live in the scabs on contaminated ground, bedding, fencing, etc. Plus I've always heard it takes 2-4 weeks to get through a case. I would consider though asking your friend to save you some milk from hers. It can affect your ewe's teats..if it's bad (her teats or their mouths) they may not be able to nurse properly. Bottle or tube feeding may unfortunately be something you'll have to do.
And you probably know but just in case, make sure you wash your hands super well and handle her with gloves and protection as people can get it too on their hands...and that looks painful!
So sorry and best wishes you get it cleared up quickly!
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| Thanks everyone for the info and help! So far the sores haven't got very bad or spread around the lips. It is still just the one corner of her mouth that is effected. I am praying that is all the blisters she will get. She gets to stay with her stall mate because the same day I wrote the original post, when I got home I noticed he had a tiny blister on the corner of his mouth too.
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | She will be fine. I wouldn't worry about it. Keep in mind that soremouth, which is called orf in humans can be spread to humans. I have had it, not my idea of a good time. LOL |
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| A few more questions. I was going to send a PM but when I re-read the thread I noticed there was someone else that was following it for info so I thought I would share my questions publicly instead.
I have read a couple web pages and forums this morning that say to expose the entire herd so everyone gets it at one time. I would really love to have my stock trailer back since they have been in it for quarantine for 38 days now. Should I just put them in my turnout with the other goats?
The one goat we bought to finish out for my husband's coworker for their Christmas dinner. He got his first sore last week, I noticed it Wednesday. Do we need to wait for the sores to be completely healed first? (I am assuming yes, but if we can butcher before it would be great.) I just don't want him butchered before it's safe.
Lastly, this doesn't pertain to me but I thought I would ask, can milk from an infected doe that only has the sores on her mouth still be consumed by humans? (Side note - I had read where someone was milking a doe with scabs on her teats and udder and was wondering if she could just strain the scabs out and still use the milk. I don't know but I'm thinking that is some serious contamination risk issues let alone, super gross to think about!)
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | I wouldn't worry about exposing the others to it. They more than likely have been exposed. |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | cyount2009 - 2016-12-13 11:50 AM A few more questions. I was going to send a PM but when I re-read the thread I noticed there was someone else that was following it for info so I thought I would share my questions publicly instead. I have read a couple web pages and forums this morning that say to expose the entire herd so everyone gets it at one time. I would really love to have my stock trailer back since they have been in it for quarantine for 38 days now. Should I just put them in my turnout with the other goats? The one goat we bought to finish out for my husband's coworker for their Christmas dinner. He got his first sore last week, I noticed it Wednesday. Do we need to wait for the sores to be completely healed first? (I am assuming yes, but if we can butcher before it would be great.) I just don't want him butchered before it's safe. Lastly, this doesn't pertain to me but I thought I would ask, can milk from an infected doe that only has the sores on her mouth still be consumed by humans? (Side note - I had read where someone was milking a doe with scabs on her teats and udder and was wondering if she could just strain the scabs out and still use the milk. I don't know but I'm thinking that is some serious contamination risk issues let alone, super gross to think about!)
Wouldn't worry at all about butchering one with sore mouth. Now the milk from infected teats, I probably would pass on that. |
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