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| How many generations in a pedigree before a line comes diluted to the point he/she is no longer "Dash for Cash" breeding, or "Leo Bred"? Just curious as I look at some ads for horses for sale and they are Great Great Granddaughters of X but headline says "X Breeding". Where does it stop? a set of AQHA Papers only has 3 generations.  |
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  That's White "Man" to You
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| Some stallions are more prepotent than others. With some you can recognize a certain defining charicteristic several generations out, while others may not pass on any of their charicteristics to their own offspring. So in my opinion it depends. |
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| I see the same thing, I think grandget and closer counts.  |
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Location: Montana | If it is on the papers, I'm thrilled! But I'm no genetics expert. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Whiteboy - 2014-10-27 4:38 PM Some stallions are more prepotent than others. With some you can recognize a certain defining charicteristic several generations out, while others may not pass on any of their charicteristics to their own offspring. So in my opinion it depends.
What smarty pants here said, I prefer it to be grandget or closer if it is something I am interested in |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I agree with Whiteboy. I'll use my 3yo as an example. He LOOKS like a Firewater Flit horse. HOWEVER, FWF is in the 3rd generation. It isn't that I think having FWF one time in the pedigree that far back has much influence over all, other than in the looks dept though. |
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 Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH | This is where linebreeding comes into play, when done correctly and with a dominant line you can keep the trraits of a line breeding true for generations. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | i agree with everything here ESP the last poster above me. i LOVE seeing line bred horses.
I just recently lost this mare but i LOVED everything about her pedigree and build to me this is line breeding perfection
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rr+capullo |
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| So in the pedigree you attached. Would you say the horse is line bred Dash for Cash , Rocket Wrangler, or First Down Dash? All three are on his pedigree in multiple places. I do believe there is value in Line Breeding, just wondering how far back to look? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Betweenhorses - 2014-10-28 3:57 PM So in the pedigree you attached. Would you say the horse is line bred Dash for Cash , Rocket Wrangler, or First Down Dash? All three are on his pedigree in multiple places. I do believe there is value in Line Breeding, just wondering how far back to look?
To me he has too many other outcrosses to call him line bred anything. It is too common to see First Down Dash twice on a set of papers to call them linebred FDD. I call them double bred FDD. If he were by a son of FDD and out of a daughter that goes to him top and bottom up close, that is when I start to say linebred FDD.
For instance I have this mare (Bunny) bred to this stallion (Vegas) and I still wouldn't call the foal line bred Beduino because there is too much other influence in there-Beduino is just too far back. |
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| I saw a stallion ad and the bloodline advertised.. Well both of them where way back, i just shook my head. But I think for advertising purposes grand get is about as far back as I care, if I'm buying for bloodlines. |
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Location: Texas | I was thinking about this yesterday morning. Random thoughts..
Anyhow, I look at it from a potential genetic standpoint. The offspring of two parents has 1/2 of each's genetics. The grandget of those parents have 1/4 of their genetics. The great-grandget have 1/8.
Every time a breeding takes place, the resulting offspring has half of the genetics from the horse in question. So, by the time you are at grandget, only 25% of the genetic variation can be attributed to the horses two generations back. By the time you are at great-grandget, the genetic variation is 12.5% and means that 87.5% of the genetics are influenced by different horses. (This does not take into account line breeding.)
For me, anything beyond grandparents doesn't account for enough of the genetic variability to attribute traits specifically to that genetic donor.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | aggiejudger - 2014-10-29 10:19 AM I was thinking about this yesterday morning. Random thoughts..
Anyhow, I look at it from a potential genetic standpoint. The offspring of two parents has 1/2 of each's genetics. The grandget of those parents have 1/4 of their genetics. The great-grandget have 1/8.
Every time a breeding takes place, the resulting offspring has half of the genetics from the horse in question. So, by the time you are at grandget, only 25% of the genetic variation can be attributed to the horses two generations back. By the time you are at great-grandget, the genetic variation is 12.5% and means that 87.5% of the genetics are influenced by different horses. (This does not take into account line breeding.)
For me, anything beyond grandparents doesn't account for enough of the genetic variability to attribute traits specifically to that genetic donor.
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They Don't Know Me
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Location: Bastrop, TX | http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/lady+leo+love
This is a mare I owned that I have given to a lady to breed her. She is foal for a 2015 baby. I have always called her a Leo bred mare. Would you guys say she is?
This is who she is bred to but I would not call the foal Leo bred. Lol http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cashin+chicks
Edited by bobbyjosocks 2014-10-29 10:56 AM
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Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH |
She is hovering around 19% Leo bred so I would say it is safe to call her that. |
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Location: Montana | I bred my mare for a 2015 baby; http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/that+lady+dash to this stallion http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/royal+quick+frenchman So the resulting foal would be 18% Dash for Cash, and it would be acceptable for me to advertise the baby this way, is that correct? Kinda on a learning curve.... |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I usually say the actual sire and maternal grandsire.
My stallion is 2 x 3 to Jet Deck. That makes him a probable recipient of 37.5% of Jet Deck's genetics. I would say he is Jet Deck bred. He breeds pretty true to what he is because of this. But I'd rather say he is BY Jet Of Honor out of a Pa Jones daughter. It depends on how many words I want to use to describe him and if I get a blank stare from the person I'm talking to. |
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Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH | OregonBR - 2014-10-29 12:45 PM I usually say the actual sire and maternal grandsire.
My stallion is 2 x 3 to Jet Deck. That makes him a probable recipient of 37.5% of Jet Deck's genetics. I would say he is Jet Deck bred. He breeds pretty true to what he is because of this. But I'd rather say he is BY Jet Of Honor out of a Pa Jones daughter. It depends on how many words I want to use to describe him and if I get a blank stare from the person I'm talking to.
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