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| This is my very first time dealing with an ulcer. He was scoped yesterday after already being on gastroguard and sucrafate for 30 days. The ulcer isn't completely healed so we're going with another 30 days of the same. My question is what do i do to keep him from never getting another one? The vet said she didn't have a clear perfect fix a couple of recommendations she said. She said some things work on some horses and then others they don't work on. Any help with what you've done for yours to maintain them after the treatment would be more than appreciated! Thank you in advance |
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Location: Canada | Aloe vera juice on low starch concentrates, alfalfa hay, and Ulcer Guard when competing, travelling or when the horse is in a stressful situation. |
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| Gastrix Liquid for me!! My horses love it. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | THE GI Ulcer Support. 80 scoops (2 1/2 months worth) is $80 shipped. 
https://www.grazingbitperformancehorses.com/product-page/gi-ulcer-support |
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Location: North Dakota | Changed the feed program. Went to a pelleted feed that doesn't have a lot of molasses in it, low NSC. Added alfalfa to the diet, Simply Hemp oil, and they get 10 cc's of Zesterra every other day and each day while on the road. I also give mine a dose of Ulcergard on days we are away and competing. |
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Location: Jersey Girl | U Sheild is what I use daily and it has really helped my mare.
Diet wise get rid of molasses, do low starch/sugar, free choice hay and supplement with alfalfa. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | RunNitroRun - 2018-08-15 11:32 AM Aloe vera juice on low starch concentrates, alfalfa hay, and Ulcer Guard when competing, travelling or when the horse is in a stressful situation. this is good advice, coupled with make sure they keep something in their belly all the time. An empty stomach is begging for ulcers.
save your money on the "supplements" and feed them right. You will be miles ahead.
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Location: Illinois | MVP Gastro-Plex is the only thing that worked for mine. And it is true, you may have to try several things before finding something that works for you. I board so I don't have the ability to dictate when/how they're fed so I have to make do. When I do go places I keep a slow feed hay net of alfalfa in front of him all the time. I will also say make sure you start whatever it is you want to try before the end of the treatment. More often than not going off of omeprazole like that will cause ulcers in itself without any sort of stress needed. I got caught in that ugly cycle, don't want the same to happen to you too. |
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Location: Oregon | MagMax by OxyGen is an option for ulcer recovered/prone horses! All around supplement that covers joint, respiratory and lung support, and with tummy buffers to help with stomach ph and digestion. Pellets are coated in aloe vera and it's very palatable so most horses eat it right up. Free shipping.  |
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Location: Georgia | Save your money and make sure you're feeding them right. Ive tried a lot of things and had the most success with Purina Outlast and a good feed program AFTER proper treatment. Im thrilled with the results
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-08-15 12:07 PM
MVP Gastro-Plex is the only thing that worked for mine. And it is true, you may have to try several things before finding something that works for you. I board so I don't have the ability to dictate when/how they're fed so I have to make do. When I do go places I keep a slow feed hay net of alfalfa in front of him all the time. I will also say make sure you start whatever it is you want to try before the end of the treatment. More often than not going off of omeprazole like that will cause ulcers in itself without any sort of stress needed. I got caught in that ugly cycle, don't want the same to happen to you too.
MVP Gastroplex was suggested to me by a friend. Just ordered some. The mom feeds the horses and has tried several different things she said this worked best for her.
We fed Purina OUTLAST to four horses and two colicked repeatedly from ulcers. Not very pleased with those results. |
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Location: Illinois | streakysox - 2018-08-15 8:22 PM
JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-08-15 12:07 PM
MVP Gastro-Plex is the only thing that worked for mine. And it is true, you may have to try several things before finding something that works for you. I board so I don't have the ability to dictate when/how they're fed so I have to make do. When I do go places I keep a slow feed hay net of alfalfa in front of him all the time. I will also say make sure you start whatever it is you want to try before the end of the treatment. More often than not going off of omeprazole like that will cause ulcers in itself without any sort of stress needed. I got caught in that ugly cycle, don't want the same to happen to you too.
MVP Gastroplex was suggested to me by a friend. Just ordered some. The mom feeds the horses and has tried several different things she said this worked best for her.
We fed Purina OUTLAST to four horses and two colicked repeatedly from ulcers. Not very pleased with those results.
I hope it works just as well for you. I battled them for close to 6 years, tried everything out there & nothing was working. Knock on wood, we've scoped clear for almost 2 years now. I give him the daily pellet and just use the paste when I travel to be extra safe. |
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Location: West Texas | Purina Outlast = alfalfa, wheat middlings, calcium, molasses, magnesium oxide, citric acid (preservative).
What about that is supposed to be so effective at gastric issues? A better feed program to start with, would yield better results, in my opinion. So many supplements in the equine world are no more than expensive snake oil.
I feel like a foraged based feed program that is as natural as possible without a ton of ingredients can really help with ulcer prevention and aid treatments in their effectiveness.
In my experience, ulcers issues that just wont go away may be best treated with a few months of turnout on free choice alfalfa. For some horses, the stress of hauling and training, just is hard to completely heal. Take the stress away and the ulcers in time will resolve themselves. I know that isn't too feasible for many.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Tdove - 2018-08-16 8:14 AM Purina Outlast = alfalfa, wheat middlings, calcium, molasses, magnesium oxide, citric acid (preservative). What about that is supposed to be so effective at gastric issues? A better feed program to start with, would yield better results, in my opinion. So many supplements in the equine world are no more than expensive snake oil. I feel like a foraged based feed program that is as natural as possible without a ton of ingredients can really help with ulcer prevention and aid treatments in their effectiveness. In my experience, ulcers issues that just wont go away may be best treated with a few months of turnout on free choice alfalfa. For some horses, the stress of hauling and training, just is hard to completely heal. Take the stress away and the ulcers in time will resolve themselves. I know that isn't too feasible for many.
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Location: Illinois | Tdove - 2018-08-16 9:14 AM
Purina Outlast = alfalfa, wheat middlings, calcium, molasses, magnesium oxide, citric acid (preservative).
What about that is supposed to be so effective at gastric issues? A better feed program to start with, would yield better results, in my opinion. So many supplements in the equine world are no more than expensive snake oil.
I feel like a foraged based feed program that is as natural as possible without a ton of ingredients can really help with ulcer prevention and aid treatments in their effectiveness.
In my experience, ulcers issues that just wont go away may be best treated with a few months of turnout on free choice alfalfa. For some horses, the stress of hauling and training, just is hard to completely heal. Take the stress away and the ulcers in time will resolve themselves. I know that isn't too feasible for many.
Mine is on an alfalfa based diet and just eats a ration balancer now for grain, which is under 1lb a day. He is turned out from November-March, so 5 months of no riding and just gets brushed and checked for any physical injuries and would still scope with ulcers before I even started riding. But mine is an extreme case and even just general riding at home can trigger them for him. His come all the way up to his larynx, so just trying to go the natural/feed correctly route doesn't work for him. I get the barn owner to feed them as much hay as they'll let me without paying extra. I already have to pay $300 per horse and buy grain on top of that for dry lots with lean-to's. So right now having hay under them isn't an option, but I do make sure they have hay all the time when I do go somewhere. I didn't have much of a choice but to try everything that I could & with the Gastro-Plex I've never since needed to treat or do anything else with him & so far he's been clear. This is his last season I think, but I said that last year, so once he's not being hauled I can take him off of it. I generally like to keep things as simple as I can most of the time |
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| Anything that changes the pH in their stomach will flare back up as soon as they are off the product. GastroPLUS is the only thing, and I had tried everything, that worked for my horses with ulcers. I LOVE the fact that it helps the body produce more mucus in the stomach lining vs buffering the pH. It's great for hindgut ulcers as well!! |
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| you all are a wealth of knowledge and I sure appreciate it. I'd like to have a great feeding program to keep him from getting another ulcer. I thought I had that, but obviously not. However, he was sent out for training and started showing signs of discomfort when he got home, never before.
Since I started gastroguard, he gets alfalfa 2x a day and has teff grass in a slow feed hay bag. He gets a really good vitamin, flax seed, probiotics, and probiotics, in a soaked Timothy pellet.
I see on here molasses is a no no, so there go his Mrs Pastures cookies I guess. |
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| I took all of mine off grain. I feed baled alfalfa and renew gold, a few vitamins and minerals but no ulcer preventatives , they have 90 acres of good grazing
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