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| My vet prescribed 10cc of lasix no later than one hour before I run my horse and to me that seems like too much, and probably too soon. I feel like 10cc is a lot of lasix, and from my experience with other horses, I don't know how just one hour out would give it enough time to be effective. He also told me that I did NOT have to with hold water from my horse. Now I'm confused. This vet is supposedly one of the best, but I am doubtful. I told him that I thought my horse worked well on 7cc , 2.5 hours out from competition and I got a lecture to not do that.
I realize all horses are different and that I am in fact, not a vet, but was curious what kind of dosing everyone else was prescribed by your vet and if you went with it, or took a route that you thought was better for your horse? |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | 5 cc 2-4 hours out and pull water |
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Location: The edge of no where | That's a BIG dose... To get max effectiveness out of lasix, it should be given 4 hours out. A lot of horses do ok with it 2-3 hours, but remember that the tests done on the racetrack have proven that 4 hours.
We do 4cc, 4 hours out. Lots of vets start at 3 cc.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | 18cc a few hours out...........yup i typed 18cc
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | mruggles - 2014-09-18 9:55 AM 18cc a few hours out...........yup i typed 18cc
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Say What???????????? Most on the race track get 4-5cc 4 hours out. We only give 2cc 4 hours out. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | total performance - 2014-09-19 9:07 AM mruggles - 2014-09-18 9:55 AM 18cc a few hours out...........yup i typed 18cc
m Say What???????????? Most on the race track get 4-5cc 4 hours out. We only give 2cc 4 hours out.
lol..i get ppl all the time with that.....and yes 18cc...she would bleed on anything less......i retired her when i couldn't lower the dose..........she was so bad she would bleed long trotting.............
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | mruggles - 2014-09-18 10:13 AM total performance - 2014-09-19 9:07 AM mruggles - 2014-09-18 9:55 AM 18cc a few hours out...........yup i typed 18cc
m Say What???????????? Most on the race track get 4-5cc 4 hours out. We only give 2cc 4 hours out.
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Oh my!! Now that's alot of lasix. Poor girl. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | total performance - 2014-09-19 9:16 AM mruggles - 2014-09-18 10:13 AM total performance - 2014-09-19 9:07 AM mruggles - 2014-09-18 9:55 AM 18cc a few hours out...........yup i typed 18cc
m Say What???????????? Most on the race track get 4-5cc 4 hours out. We only give 2cc 4 hours out.
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she is happy in her retirement...and so fat she can hardly fit past the barn door......she rules the herd..lol
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| Do you always give IV or are there other options that work? |
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| I was prescribe to give my mare 5cc 2 hours out orally. My mare was not a diagnosed bleeder because I wasn't able to have her scoped until over a week after her last run. My vet found minor irritation so thought it would be a good idea to put her on lasix.
The quickest response is going to be IV followed by IM and oral. I did have another vet tell that they did research on giving it orally and the results showed that it was not effective. I believe she said that this was an oral lasix, but I'm giving the injectable. It appears to work because my mare will urinate and she has not bled out. Again though, not sure she's really a bleeder, but she does have COPD/heaves. |
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Location: Texas | My vet told me 3 cc and 2 hours out and that I might have to watch it and play with it. He seems to do best with 3 cc and 3 hours out. Did you ask him why such a high dose and such a short period before his run? It just doesn't seem right compared to what other vets prescribe Good luck |
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Location: Florida | I was prescribed 10cc 4 hours out with hold from the time I dose. I give IV.
I had to find what worked for my horse. He gets 10cc 1 hour out. With hold everything thing once I dose him.
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| CheckItOut - 2014-09-18 9:33 AM
My vet prescribed 10cc of lasix no later than one hour before I run my horse and to me that seems like too much, and probably too soon. I feel like 10cc is a lot of lasix, and from my experience with other horses, I don't know how just one hour out would give it enough time to be effective. He also told me that I did NOT have to with hold water from my horse. Now I'm confused. This vet is supposedly one of the best, but I am doubtful. I told him that I thought my horse worked well on 7cc , 2.5 hours out from competition and I got a lecture to not do that.
I realize all horses are different and that I am in fact, not a vet, but was curious what kind of dosing everyone else was prescribed by your vet and if you went with it, or took a route that you thought was better for your horse?
I do 5cc lasix 4 hours out and 5cc kentucky red 4 hours out - both IV
I pull water - I give electrolytes and air power 45 minutes out from running
My gelding would bled through 6cc lasix 3 hours out so I went to this and it has worked so far
With my experience I would allow at least 2 hours for lasix - some people can get away with 1 hour out but it didnt work for me |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Jenbabe - 2014-09-18 3:26 PM I was prescribe to give my mare 5cc 2 hours out orally. My mare was not a diagnosed bleeder because I wasn't able to have her scoped until over a week after her last run. My vet found minor irritation so thought it would be a good idea to put her on lasix. The quickest response is going to be IV followed by IM and oral. I did have another vet tell that they did research on giving it orally and the results showed that it was not effective. I believe she said that this was an oral lasix, but I'm giving the injectable. It appears to work because my mare will urinate and she has not bled out. Again though, not sure she's really a bleeder, but she does have COPD/heaves.
Did you know you do NOT have to have them scoped quickly afterwards in order to diagnose? Just for future reference.
You can have a Trach wash and BAL done, which I honestly feel should be done any time there is evidence of a horse bleeding because it can tell you so much more. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | missroselee - 2014-09-19 10:29 PM Jenbabe - 2014-09-18 3:26 PM I was prescribe to give my mare 5cc 2 hours out orally. My mare was not a diagnosed bleeder because I wasn't able to have her scoped until over a week after her last run. My vet found minor irritation so thought it would be a good idea to put her on lasix. The quickest response is going to be IV followed by IM and oral. I did have another vet tell that they did research on giving it orally and the results showed that it was not effective. I believe she said that this was an oral lasix, but I'm giving the injectable. It appears to work because my mare will urinate and she has not bled out. Again though, not sure she's really a bleeder, but she does have COPD/heaves. Did you know you do NOT have to have them scoped quickly afterwards in order to diagnose? Just for future reference.
You can have a Trach wash and BAL done, which I honestly feel should be done any time there is evidence of a horse bleeding because it can tell you so much more.
 This is critical advice. Proper meds and management can start with a correct diagnosis. Horses should not be warmed up in areas where you can see dust. Many horses have issue due to initiation of allergy problems and they get worse due to misguided practices. Start with a diagnosis and move on with a treatment that will clear up the "basic" cause. |
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Location: South Central Florida | That seems like a large dose especially for just starting. I have known a couple of horses that ran on that much, but one was a hugh gelding that started on 4cc, and after 12 years of running eventually had worked up to 10cc. We run on 4cc, and the previous bleeder we had ran on 5 cc and it never went up.
I also agree with the 2.5 hours out if it is given IV, I know people that give it in the muscle and they give it much earlier, like 3 hours out.
I agree with the scoping thing if you have a place near you. For us, it's a 2 or 3 hour drive abut we did it and found evidence of bleeding (old blood) about 5 days after she had raced.
I would get a second opinion. I can't imagine not pulling the water, however, here in Florida, we give limited amounts of water. The horse will urinate excess water out anyway, but replenishing kind of defeats the way lasix works as I understand it. For us it depends on how long (delays for rain, people taking too long, shows starting late, tractor problems) we are from the time of the shot and the race, but she won't drink much either way. After her run, she drinks a lot, but not before, don't know why.
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| 5cc of Lasix in the muscle 4 hours prior to running. Take away all grain, hay and water at time of administering meds. Then 45 minutes prior to run, give 4cc of ventipulmin orally and put on his nasal flair strip. I've had him scoped and he is a true bleeder from the lungs and this works for him. If it happens to go over the 4 hours then I will give him a small drink of water. I feed him electrolytes and I give him a tube of electrolytes every day he is ran. |
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| I was told to give 5cc of Kentucky Red the night before then 5cc 4 hours prior to my run and give my Lasix 5cc IV 2 hours prior to my run. Pull hay and water when given the lasix. Give electrolytes daily and a paste on the day of my run. I've had the BAL done and she's a true bleeder.
She did bleed thru this last weekend so I was told to up her kentucky red. I wonder if I could go IM with my Lasix? My vet (one of the best in Texas) didn't say I could do IM so im afraid to but my horse hates needles. |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2014-09-20 3:37 PM
missroselee - 2014-09-19 10:29 PM Jenbabe - 2014-09-18 3:26 PM I was prescribe to give my mare 5cc 2 hours out orally. My mare was not a diagnosed bleeder because I wasn't able to have her scoped until over a week after her last run. My vet found minor irritation so thought it would be a good idea to put her on lasix. The quickest response is going to be IV followed by IM and oral. I did have another vet tell that they did research on giving it orally and the results showed that it was not effective. I believe she said that this was an oral lasix, but I'm giving the injectable. It appears to work because my mare will urinate and she has not bled out. Again though, not sure she's really a bleeder, but she does have COPD/heaves. Did you know you do NOT have to have them scoped quickly afterwards in order to diagnose? Just for future reference.
You can have a Trach wash and BAL done, which I honestly feel should be done any time there is evidence of a horse bleeding because it can tell you so much more. This is critical advice. Proper meds and management can start with a correct diagnosis. Horses should not be warmed up in areas where you can see dust. Many horses have issue due to initiation of allergy problems and they get worse due to misguided practices. Start with a diagnosis and move on with a treatment that will clear up the "basic" cause.
I wish I could get a correct diagnosis. I honestly don't think my mare is a bleeder because she has had a chronic dry cough since she was a 3 year old. She has been seen by 3 different vets, scoped twice , and had a tracheal wash. I believe her breathing issue is allergy related. And unfortunately she was born as the drought was starting so she's spent her life in the dry and dust. Any suggestions on further tests or diagnostics would be greatly appreciated. |
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