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Location: MN | Im still trying to understand these 2. Are they the same thing or not?
Secondly, can anyone look up Handys No Dandy and tell me what you find? I would forever be grateful. As far as I can tell, Impressive Pine was a N/? . Id like to see if Mr B Impressive and Handys No Dandy are N/N.
I do know HYPP horses need a special diet and that's what I'm trying to figure out. Im not sure if my horse has ever been 5 panel tested or not. I plan to this spring for sure!
Any help or knowledge about this would be fantastic!
ETA this is my guy. Should I worry or is it too far back to worry?
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/too+tuff+to+handle
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | No they aren't the same thing. A horse can have one, both or none. They have different diets to manage them. The way they are similar is they are both dominant disorders. It only takes one copy to be affected. But individuals have different levels of symptoms. Some can be managed with diet and exercise and some are very affected by it in spite of management efforts. There are scientists that are trying to find other genes that might make that difference. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Also there are different types of PSSM. Type 1 is the one they test for with the 5 panel. There are several other types that are being investigated. They require different diets to manage. PSSM1 is extremely sensitive to starch. PSSM2 (takes in several different other types) is more dependent on good sources of complete protein to manage. |
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Location: MN | Thank you. I just see people linking them together somehow and I just want to make sure I'm keeping my facts straight. My horse has a very hard time keeping weight off, doesnt matter how much I ride him. Hes SUCH an easy keeper. I believe he has the greatest possibility of having HYPP but PSSM could be a possibility too?? Obviously hoping he doesnt have anything like this and he really is just that 'easy' keeper lol. But Im doing my research and would love to hear other peoples insights.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Being an easy keeper isn't one of the top symptoms of either PSSM or HYPP. They are muscle related disorders. I would advise you to do a google search on them to get a clearer picture of what they are.
HYPP has to do with the inability of the horse to use potassium.
PSSM is also muscle related but it's more about the inability of the muscles to properly utilize starch (type 1). Type 2 has to have balanced protein and Calcium/phosphorous levels. Both types need to have sufficient magnesium in the diet.
I'm certainly not an expert on either of the above problems. I've never had to manage a horse affected by them. I just know the basics from reading about it. |
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Location: MN | Thank you for your input. |
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Location: SE KS | Handys No Dandy is deceased, it does not listed any HYPP info. |
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2017-01-11 11:56 AM
Thank you. I just see people linking them together somehow and I just want to make sure I'm keeping my facts straight. My horse has a very hard time keeping weight off, doesnt matter how much I ride him. Hes SUCH an easy keeper. I believe he has the greatest possibility of having HYPP but PSSM could be a possibility too?? Obviously hoping he doesnt have anything like this and he really is just that 'easy' keeper lol. But Im doing my research and would love to hear other peoples insights.
Is he Insulin Resistant? |
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Location: MN | WrapN3MN - 2017-01-11 1:32 PM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-01-11 11:56 AM Thank you. I just see people linking them together somehow and I just want to make sure I'm keeping my facts straight. My horse has a very hard time keeping weight off, doesnt matter how much I ride him. Hes SUCH an easy keeper. I believe he has the greatest possibility of having HYPP but PSSM could be a possibility too?? Obviously hoping he doesnt have anything like this and he really is just that 'easy' keeper lol. But Im doing my research and would love to hear other peoples insights. Is he Insulin Resistant?
I guess im not sure...how do I find out? Tests I'm assuming? |
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Location: MN | lhighquality - 2017-01-11 1:13 PM Handys No Dandy is deceased, it does not listed any HYPP info.
Darn. Thank you for looking that up. |
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| Yes, your vet can test blood insulin and glucose levels. Physically abnormal spots to find fatty deposits would be a on their rump, above their eyes, and most obvious, a cresty neck. |
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Location: MN | WrapN3MN - 2017-01-11 1:51 PM Yes, your vet can test blood insulin and glucose levels. Physically abnormal spots to find fatty deposits would be a on their rump, above their eyes, and most obvious, a cresty neck.
Say if he is insulin resistant...what would I do? |
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Location: alabama | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-01-11 12:53 PM
WrapN3MN - 2017-01-11 1:51 PM Yes, your vet can test blood insulin and glucose levels. Physically abnormal spots to find fatty deposits would be a on their rump, above their eyes, and most obvious, a cresty neck.
Say if he is insulin resistant...what would I do?
Low sugar/starch diet, and no grass!! Grass has ALOT of sugar. |
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2017-01-11 1:53 PM
WrapN3MN - 2017-01-11 1:51 PM Yes, your vet can test blood insulin and glucose levels. Physically abnormal spots to find fatty deposits would be a on their rump, above their eyes, and most obvious, a cresty neck.
Say if he is insulin resistant...what would I do?
Dr. Schiller with Cur Ost has been doing research on IR horses and has a forum where you can ask him questions. Its secondvet.com. |
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Location: Texas | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-01-11 1:53 PM WrapN3MN - 2017-01-11 1:51 PM Yes, your vet can test blood insulin and glucose levels. Physically abnormal spots to find fatty deposits would be a on their rump, above their eyes, and most obvious, a cresty neck. Say if he is insulin resistant...what would I do?
I had a super easy keeper who they tested for being insulin resistant. Even on a low starch diet they thought he was insulin resistent. I switched him to Total Equine, and he levelled out and didn't have to have any other testing or diet. That was probably 8 years ago and he's been fine since. I'm not saying TE is a total fix, but it worked so well for me. He could actually eat normal portions and not be on such a limited amount of feed like he was on the low starch feed. He also gets alfalfa and grass hay mix with the grain and is fine. |
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Location: Central Texas | BridgeEquine.com is an online database with 5 panel results. It doesn't have results for Handys No Dandy. His dam is N/N for HYPP but goes back to several suspects for PSSM2 and MH. If he is HYPP N/H, it would be from Impressive who was N/H. Impressive wasn't tested but is a suspect for MH also.
Honestly if you are worried, its not expensive to test through Animal Genetics or UC Davis. |
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Location: MN | TXBarrelRacer84 - 2017-01-12 9:24 AM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-01-11 1:53 PM WrapN3MN - 2017-01-11 1:51 PM Yes, your vet can test blood insulin and glucose levels. Physically abnormal spots to find fatty deposits would be a on their rump, above their eyes, and most obvious, a cresty neck. Say if he is insulin resistant...what would I do?
I plan on changing his diet this summer anyways. Want to get him away from all the sugar and go more to the KISS method, away from processed feeds. I think us humans just complicate things so much more sometimes lol. Im hoping this helps with keeping some weight off. Just to see how it goes anyway.
Has TE helped with keeping some weight off of your horse?
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Location: MN | WinningPaints - 2017-01-12 9:50 AM BridgeEquine.com is an online database with 5 panel results. It doesn't have results for Handys No Dandy. His dam is N/N for HYPP but goes back to several suspects for PSSM2 and MH. If he is HYPP N/H, it would be from Impressive who was N/H. Impressive wasn't tested but is a suspect for MH also. Honestly if you are worried, its not expensive to test through Animal Genetics or UC Davis.
Thank you for researching that! Exactly what I wanted to know. I am definitely intrested in getting some tests done. Very curious now... |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I have an IR horse. We put her on Thyro L to get her weight down and started feeding her a good quality low NSC (non soluble carbohydrate) feed, Purina Wellsolve. She gets grass hay and is on Forco. We turn her out during the day with a grazing muzzle. She had some muscle soreness from the EMS too so we also exercise her daily. |
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