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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Ok. So this horse is not sound at a trot. What is your opinion of her while on the lunge line? What do you think and see? At a walk she is pretty much sound... But then you trot... Note the first video she has hoof boots on the front because she is barefoot and it's on harder ground where the second video is on sand. https://youtu.be/iQm74gRsXTQ https://youtu.be/LsFyRFhhkx0
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Defense Attorney for The Horse
Location: Claremore, OK | Sore in front, landing toe first in the sand. More sore on left front. On the hard ground he keeps his head to the outside of the left circle, still indicating LF soreness.
In the sand, very short on the left hind, especially starting out, probably stifle. Not as bad but not great on right hind. Better on the firm ground but still not comfortable .
Was he recently trimmed ? Maybe trimmed very short ? |
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 The Bling Princess
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Location: North Dakota | My call is soreness in both stifles, with the left hind being more prevalent. Have you taken this horse to a lameness vet? If not I'd highly suggest it. My horse moved exactly the way this one is moving and it ended up being a torn meniscus in his stifle. |
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| I'd get some shoes on her fronts and quicken her break over (bring the shoe back in the heels for support and get her flipping her toes) and get her hind end checked out by a vet, she is really short stepping in the hind even at a walk. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| This mare has been to the vet several times but I'm frustrated with my diagnosis. I am hoping for some unbiased eyes to look at her and see what they can see or if they may have seen a horse travel like this before. |
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The Bling Princess
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Location: North Dakota | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-16 1:13 PM This mare has been to the vet several times but I'm frustrated with my diagnosis. I am hoping for some unbiased eyes to look at her and see what they can see or if they may have seen a horse travel like this before.
what was the diagnoses?? Just curious. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2017-08-16 2:02 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-16 1:13 PM This mare has been to the vet several times but I'm frustrated with my diagnosis. I am hoping for some unbiased eyes to look at her and see what they can see or if they may have seen a horse travel like this before.
what was the diagnoses?? Just curious.
Thanks for the few replies. Yes this mare has been to the vet several times. The best vet in the Midwest. After several visits and thousands of dollars later this is where I sit. A year ago this weekend she was diagnosed with a fractured pelvis. She was thought to make a full recovery. Well after 6 months stall rest she was sound and could be hand walked and turned out in a small paddock in April. For the month of April I did one month of hand walking then 20 minutes of walking and trotting on a lunge line. Starting in May she could be rode lightly. She had her hocks done in April which resolved a slight front end lameness on the left front that seemed to be coming from the hind end at the time due to muscle inflammation in her back and pelvis. She had acupuncture and magna wave treatments to help the muscle inflammation. In June on our way back from an acupuncture appointment I had to slam on the breaks because I hit road construction. When I took her out of the trailer she was very sore on her left hind and left front. 2 weeks later I went back to the vet. She was blocked in the front left foot and lameness resolved. On top of everything she was Trimmed to short and has thin soles especially on the front left just before I could take back in to the vet after the trailer ride she came sore off of. Also at the vet She was blocked up Her left hind. Foot, pasturn, suspensory, hock, and stifle. She remained the same with no improvement in lameness with all the blocks. Her stifle was ultrasounded and no issues were found. The cross stifle flexion was the worst even with the stifle blocked. So we did a rectal ultrasound and he said her si joint was now involved. That it has instability, slightly tipped, a bone spur and she needs 6 months off. At her last rectal exam in January this was not noted... just the muscle inflammation, especially the psoas muscle. The fracture was healed in January too. I'm so confused, frustrated, lost and most of all heartbroken. She is more lame now then when she was diagnosed a year ago with the fracture. He doesn't want to inject the si joint until the 6 month mark to see how she heals in January. I'm going in for a bone scan in 2 weeks that was recommended by another vet. Any opinion other opinions on her gait/ lameness? |
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The Bling Princess
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Location: North Dakota | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-16 4:27 PM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2017-08-16 2:02 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-16 1:13 PM This mare has been to the vet several times but I'm frustrated with my diagnosis. I am hoping for some unbiased eyes to look at her and see what they can see or if they may have seen a horse travel like this before. what was the diagnoses?? Just curious. Thanks for the few replies. Yes this mare has been to the vet several times. The best vet in the Midwest. After several visits and thousands of dollars later this is where I sit. A year ago this weekend she was diagnosed with a fractured pelvis. She was thought to make a full recovery. Well after 6 months stall rest she was sound and could be hand walked and turned out in a small paddock in April. For the month of April I did one month of hand walking then 20 minutes of walking and trotting on a lunge line. Starting in May she could be rode lightly. She had her hocks done in April which resolved a slight front end lameness on the left front that seemed to be coming from the hind end at the time due to muscle inflammation in her back and pelvis. She had acupuncture and magna wave treatments to help the muscle inflammation. In June on our way back from an acupuncture appointment I had to slam on the breaks because I hit road construction. When I took her out of the trailer she was very sore on her left hind and left front. 2 weeks later I went back to the vet. She was blocked in the front left foot and lameness resolved. On top of everything she was Trimmed to short and has thin soles especially on the front left just before I could take back in to the vet after the trailer ride she came sore off of. Also at the vet She was blocked up Her left hind. Foot, pasturn, suspensory, hock, and stifle. She remained the same with no improvement in lameness with all the blocks. Her stifle was ultrasounded and no issues were found. The cross stifle flexion was the worst even with the stifle blocked. So we did a rectal ultrasound and he said her si joint was now involved. That it has instability, slightly tipped, a bone spur and she needs 6 months off. At her last rectal exam in January this was not noted... just the muscle inflammation, especially the psoas muscle. The fracture was healed in January too. I'm so confused, frustrated, lost and most of all heartbroken. She is more lame now then when she was diagnosed a year ago with the fracture. He doesn't want to inject the si joint until the 6 month mark to see how she heals in January. I'm going in for a bone scan in 2 weeks that was recommended by another vet. Any opinion other opinions on her gait/ lameness?
I'm so sorry... she sounds like she's got a lot going on in there. I seriously think a bone/soft tissue scan is the best route to go. Hope you can find out a starting point and get your gal feeling better. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2017-08-17 10:42 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-16 4:27 PM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2017-08-16 2:02 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-08-16 1:13 PM This mare has been to the vet several times but I'm frustrated with my diagnosis. I am hoping for some unbiased eyes to look at her and see what they can see or if they may have seen a horse travel like this before. what was the diagnoses?? Just curious. Thanks for the few replies. Yes this mare has been to the vet several times. The best vet in the Midwest. After several visits and thousands of dollars later this is where I sit. A year ago this weekend she was diagnosed with a fractured pelvis. She was thought to make a full recovery. Well after 6 months stall rest she was sound and could be hand walked and turned out in a small paddock in April. For the month of April I did one month of hand walking then 20 minutes of walking and trotting on a lunge line. Starting in May she could be rode lightly. She had her hocks done in April which resolved a slight front end lameness on the left front that seemed to be coming from the hind end at the time due to muscle inflammation in her back and pelvis. She had acupuncture and magna wave treatments to help the muscle inflammation. In June on our way back from an acupuncture appointment I had to slam on the breaks because I hit road construction. When I took her out of the trailer she was very sore on her left hind and left front. 2 weeks later I went back to the vet. She was blocked in the front left foot and lameness resolved. On top of everything she was Trimmed to short and has thin soles especially on the front left just before I could take back in to the vet after the trailer ride she came sore off of. Also at the vet She was blocked up Her left hind. Foot, pasturn, suspensory, hock, and stifle. She remained the same with no improvement in lameness with all the blocks. Her stifle was ultrasounded and no issues were found. The cross stifle flexion was the worst even with the stifle blocked. So we did a rectal ultrasound and he said her si joint was now involved. That it has instability, slightly tipped, a bone spur and she needs 6 months off. At her last rectal exam in January this was not noted... just the muscle inflammation, especially the psoas muscle. The fracture was healed in January too. I'm so confused, frustrated, lost and most of all heartbroken. She is more lame now then when she was diagnosed a year ago with the fracture. He doesn't want to inject the si joint until the 6 month mark to see how she heals in January. I'm going in for a bone scan in 2 weeks that was recommended by another vet. Any opinion other opinions on her gait/ lameness?
thank you! I appreciate that! I pray too it'll show something! |
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Location: NC | Had a mare that could be your mares twin, lameness wise. It was recommended we do a bone scan as well but at the time we were living in a very expensive area and had to board, so chose not to and ended up selling her as a broodmare. In total we spent $2000+ and never got a result. And had multiple vets shaking their heads. We ultrasounded suspensories, x-rayed hocks, blocked and injected both stifles and internal ultrasounded to check for cysts.
I wish you good luck!!!! I miss my mare daily but am lucky to keep in touch with new owners
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 Did I miss the party?
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| I hope you get some answers soon. I also have a horse who was impossible to diagnose with a hind end lameness and he would be off in front as compensation. He was a 2/5 in a flexion test on right hind limb, 1/5 on left. Both stifles were x-rayed and the right was also ultrasounded, both completely clean. So, I then diagnostically chased everything else you can imagine; full body bone scan, hocks (including MRI), SI, whirlbones, psoas, pelvis, even neck! I won't bore you with how we got back to stifles but, I ended up having a right stifle MRI done (they have an MRI at Cave Creek in Arizona that can fit a stifle) and, he had extensive soft tissue injury which was not possible to see on ultrasound. Boney changes were not prevalent so x-rays were also clean. In reading what you said about positive flexions to the stifle, and having been through what I have, even with clean x-rays and ultrasounds I wouldn't rule that out. |
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Sock Snob
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| try some cur-ost and give her some time. see what you get. how bout epm |
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| Something is for sure going on in her hind end. She looks like it could be bilateral they way she seems generally uncomfortable behind. I agree with previous posters, a bone scan on just her hind end would be about $600 and could tell you a lot. Please let us know what you find out! |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| thanks for the replies and suggestions! I opted to do a full body bone scan. The cheapest for just a hind end by me is 1200 and 1600 for a full body. So I figured a full body would be worth it. She goes in on the 30th. Also good suggestion on epm. Worth a look. Thanks again. If Any one else has ideas or stories I'd love to hear them. |
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 The best bad guy on the internet
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Location: Arizona | She does look sore on her front end as well, if she has thin soles, perhaps try some pads with some shoes to make her comfortable. How did you know for sure that she healed from her pelvic fracture and how did she fracture it? Good luck at the vet, i sure hope you find out what's been wrong with her. I know the frustration!! If only they could talk!! |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| LIVE2RUN - 2017-08-18 3:28 PM She does look sore on her front end as well, if she has thin soles, perhaps try some pads with some shoes to make her comfortable. How did you know for sure that she healed from her pelvic fracture and how did she fracture it? Good luck at the vet, i sure hope you find out what's been wrong with her. I know the frustration!! If only they could talk!!
Thankfully I was able to get some shoes on today. She just wasnt doing good after 4 weeks off the trim to short. We arent sure how she fractured it. All last year she was clocking awesome but something didnt seem right to me. She was sore in her hocks and stifles. Especially her left stifle. I was at the vet every 6 weeks getting her looked at. Until in August my boy friend was walking behind her and saw her left tuber scrale was lower than the right. I took her in asap and they found via rectal ultrasound a fracture. She had a ton of inflammation in the surroundng muscles as well. They checked her in january and a callus formed when they re checked with a rectal ultra sound. The next time she was checked again with a rectal ultrasound was the very begining of July. The fracture healed but now the SI diagnosis was determined. |
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | one of my mares had a fractured pelvis... and had si issues and she never fully recovered.. my experience anyway... |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Bibliafarm - 2017-08-18 9:46 PM
one of my mares had a fractured pelvis... and had si issues and she never fully recovered.. my experience anyway...
Did she move like this mare? |
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