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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-07-23 8:47 AM
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komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site……
You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-07-23 8:47 AM
NJJ - 2015-07-23 8:34 AM
komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site……
You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit.
So I gather from this that you have thrown in with Trump. Just want to clarify that. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | MS2011 - 2015-07-23 8:57 AM
komet. - 2015-07-23 8:47 AM NJJ - 2015-07-23 8:34 AM komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site…… You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit. has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole." and then you turn around and state that no politician will actually cut things to 'dig out of a hole'.... wth are you smoking this morning?
Lots of them have done it at a state level. Look at Reagan while he was in California. Then he jacked the national debt up almost 2 trillion dollars in 8 years. We've not had a reduction since Roosevelt/Truman. THIS IS NOT WORKING!! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | MS2011 - 2015-07-23 8:57 AM komet. - 2015-07-23 8:47 AM NJJ - 2015-07-23 8:34 AM komet. - 2015-07-22 10:29 PM Bear - 2015-07-22 10:21 PM Komet, your flights of ideas have totally taken this thread in a direction that is only very remotely resembles the original topic. You do this a lot. Not at all. We were talking about where Walker got the idea it was ok to renege on promises given by the government and has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole... Can you see him doing this on a national level?
I would welcome someone who would trim the “national budget” and cut out excessive payments and pork barrel. You (plural) fail to mention his welfare reform. Get a job (even if it is only part time) or you don’t get payments…..get drug tested or you don’t get payments….he also has stated numerous times that there are over 67 THOUSAND jobs listed on the state’s job site…… You ain't gonna find a politician thats going to do that... I've been listening to politicians make those same promises for decades and the same thing happens every time. You need a business man. When are you going to wake up? We need an anti-politician. Trump fits that bill. Nothing is more important in this country than cutting into that 18 trillion dollar debt and the politicians will only keep raising the debt limit.has done so in his own state in order to dig it out of a hole." and then you turn around and state that no politician will actually cut things to 'dig out of a hole'.... wth are you smoking this morning?
eta: And if you think the President holds the purse strings, you had better look again and try replacing the ol' "cronies" in the Congress........
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| The system is whacked. If state has a budget deficit by hook or by crook, they cut thier own throat for federal funding the following year. So if you have a budget deficit in say, your transportation...this includes highway maintence, etc etc.... you have to report that to the feds and they might decide to increase your budget. You have to show where you spent the money even if you didn' t need to...so sometimes unnessecary repairs are made so you can show big brother you need more. So when a state actually runs on a balanced budget, they won' t get much subsidy and since these people can't stand not gaining those extra dollars, they don't put enough effort into it.
Just a while ago, our #notmyhero, McCain and his flunky, Jeff Flake added the Oak Flats to a mining bill... Oak Flats is Apache sacred ground. They snuck that in there to make sure the mines came to Az....well how F***ing nice. I thought that was soverign land. (this isn't related, but it's what I'm fuming about at the moment)
If Scott Walker is trying to cut to balance, then hats off to him. If he manages to succeed, Wisconsin will get less and surely someone will complain that he cost them revenue....
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If we want to really take a look back at government spending, the deficit, and the total federal debt, we need to factor in things like the GDP, important events (many of which were beyond our control), and congress.
If you look back at the JFK years, we ran a $2-3 Billion deficit, but our GDP ran a tiny fraction of what it is today. Back then, the sum total of all the goods and services in this country ran around $550 Billion.....roughly 3% of what it is today ($17.5 Trillion). Raw numbers alone don't paint the whole picture. Our GDP has practically always increased from one year to the next. Actually, the last time it declined was back in the late 40's. Our national debt has grown increasingly over that same time span. EVERY administration has left office with increased national federal debt. What has kept that from becoming a disaster was the GDP sort of kept pace, albeit at a slower rate of rise. This is why the debt/GDP ratio is important, but we can't look at this alone. It's not that Clinton was a fiscal conservative. He was pragmatic and saw, early on after the '94 election, that he was going to have to work with the Republican majorities in both houses. In addition, we had the "dot com boom" and explosive growth in technology, combined with peacetime, that led to a huge jump in our GDP, by about 70%, in the 90s. Because of these things, we saw the only significant reduction in the Debt/GDP ratio in modern times.....from 62% to 55%. Over the last 15 years we have had huge developments......9/11, wars, recessions (2), "stimulus" spending, ObamaCare, etc.... The debt really increased in the Bush years, increasing by about 4.2 Trillion, and then by another 8 Trillion under Obama, and by the time Obama leaves it wii be up over $20 Trillion in total national debt. Our debt/GDP ratio has exploded from 68% to over 100% under Obama.
This is why guys like Walker are attractive. He's shown that he's willing to roll up his sleeves, lead, and make tough choices, while fighting off a withering assault from his opposition.
Here's a real good article that lays out things like the debt, GDP, deficit, and how world/national events factor in. It's pretty simple and well laid out:
http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/a/National-Debt-by-Y...
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | RidenFly - 2015-07-23 10:33 AM The system is whacked. If state has a budget deficit by hook or by crook, they cut thier own throat for federal funding the following year. So if you have a budget deficit in say, your transportation...this includes highway maintence, etc etc.... you have to report that to the feds and they might decide to increase your budget. You have to show where you spent the money even if you didn' t need to...so sometimes unnessecary repairs are made so you can show big brother you need more. So when a state actually runs on a balanced budget, they won' t get much subsidy and since these people can't stand not gaining those extra dollars, they don't put enough effort into it.
Just a while ago, our #notmyhero, McCain and his flunky, Jeff Flake added the Oak Flats to a mining bill... Oak Flats is Apache sacred ground. They snuck that in there to make sure the mines came to Az....well how F***ing nice. I thought that was soverign land. (this isn't related, but it's what I'm fuming about at the moment)
If Scott Walker is trying to cut to balance, then hats off to him. If he manages to succeed, Wisconsin will get less and surely someone will complain that he cost them revenue....
The deal POS McCain made giving sacred ground for mining is mind boggling. Like I've said many times..He went from Hero when he was a POW and as soon as he got into Congress he went to zero. Cruz is dead on when he calls the White House the White House Cartel. What % do you think are crooked SOB's? I would guess 90%. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2015-07-23 2:05 PM RidenFly - 2015-07-23 10:33 AM The system is whacked. If state has a budget deficit by hook or by crook, they cut thier own throat for federal funding the following year. So if you have a budget deficit in say, your transportation...this includes highway maintence, etc etc.... you have to report that to the feds and they might decide to increase your budget. You have to show where you spent the money even if you didn' t need to...so sometimes unnessecary repairs are made so you can show big brother you need more. So when a state actually runs on a balanced budget, they won' t get much subsidy and since these people can't stand not gaining those extra dollars, they don't put enough effort into it.
Just a while ago, our #notmyhero, McCain and his flunky, Jeff Flake added the Oak Flats to a mining bill... Oak Flats is Apache sacred ground. They snuck that in there to make sure the mines came to Az....well how F***ing nice. I thought that was soverign land. (this isn't related, but it's what I'm fuming about at the moment)
If Scott Walker is trying to cut to balance, then hats off to him. If he manages to succeed, Wisconsin will get less and surely someone will complain that he cost them revenue....
Which is why even though Trump is off the wall sounding, it will take someone like him who really doesn't give a crap and would cut off programs to reduce the defecit and stop illegals from coming here voted in in 2016. |
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| 3canstorun - 2015-07-24 11:14 AM Nevertooold - 2015-07-23 2:05 PM RidenFly - 2015-07-23 10:33 AM The system is whacked. If state has a budget deficit by hook or by crook, they cut thier own throat for federal funding the following year. So if you have a budget deficit in say, your transportation...this includes highway maintence, etc etc.... you have to report that to the feds and they might decide to increase your budget. You have to show where you spent the money even if you didn' t need to...so sometimes unnessecary repairs are made so you can show big brother you need more. So when a state actually runs on a balanced budget, they won' t get much subsidy and since these people can't stand not gaining those extra dollars, they don't put enough effort into it.
Just a while ago, our #notmyhero, McCain and his flunky, Jeff Flake added the Oak Flats to a mining bill... Oak Flats is Apache sacred ground. They snuck that in there to make sure the mines came to Az....well how F***ing nice. I thought that was soverign land. (this isn't related, but it's what I'm fuming about at the moment)
If Scott Walker is trying to cut to balance, then hats off to him. If he manages to succeed, Wisconsin will get less and surely someone will complain that he cost them revenue....
Cruz might be a good balance on a Trump ticket ? But there will be more people jumping in... |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Looks like the White House Cartel wouldn't allow the Border Patrol to take Trump on a tour of the border. I like him more and more everyday. He doesn't take crap from anyone. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Nevertooold - 2015-07-23 6:02 PM
Looks like the White House Cartel wouldn't allow the Border Patrol to take Trump on a tour of the border. I like him more and more everyday. He doesn't take crap from anyone.Â
Their terrified of him and will block him at every corner. He is the first politician in our generation that can't be bought. If he wins he will owe NO monetary favors to anyone. He speaks a forgotten language in DC.. It's called Common Sense. This language overrides stupid things like political correctness.. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So the Border Patrol invited Trump down to the Texas-Mexico border. He said they called and said they were advised not to meet with him, when they were just about to leave. Trump said, "screw it" and they went anyway.
I saw his press conference at the airport. The guy is pretty unflappable. I was laughing my ass off. Basically he's flipping the bird at Obama....and anyone else who stands in his way. |
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Location: Kansas | ...and wow did he level the MSNBC reporter who tried to call him out on the rapist/murderer comment.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | "No no no.....you're through." |
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Location: Kansas | Bear - 2015-07-24 11:02 AM "No no no.....you're through."
Couldn't see any other candidate doing that. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Frodo - 2015-07-24 12:37 PM
Bear - 2015-07-24 11:02 AM "No no no.....you're through."
Couldn't see any other candidate doing that.   Â
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