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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Made a huge booboo and used a new farrier who promptly put several hotnails in my gelding. Jerked shoes off and after 2 weeks of being (newly introduced to going) barefoot and bute slight lameness still and abscesses not come through yet. Digital pulse much better and no extreme heat. Should he be lightly rode to help abscess(es) move quicker and a little bute or not. Does anyone know the recent veterinary take on this? Acts like ouchy from barefoot...Thanks for any input. Exercise would be on really nice sand. Also have read bute stops abscess healing....anyone know the medical verdict? Plays and all that like he's enjoying life and never resents moving but ladies, don't make mistake I did and assume a shoer can place good nails because he's a shoer. I was at work when he put them on too....that won't happen again! |
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| If it were me, I would not excerise the horse. Bute, epsom salt/ warm water soak, and maybe even pack the hoof with poultice or DMSO/ Furazone mix and wrap. That's just my opinion though.
Edited to say that I'm not sure how bute would stop the healing process. I'm pretty sure its an anti-inflammatory drug which should help the abscess.
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Thanks, canchaser. That's kinda of similar to what I would do before. well...would soak with the epsom salt water then use sugar and iodine and wrap...repeat. But have read that exercise moves the abscess through quicker... just want to do the best thing. Very frustrating. |
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| You're welcome. We just had a broodmare at my work that had an abscess (not due to a hot nail) and we just gave bute and packed her hoof with the DMSO/ furazone mix and wrapped with an animalintex pad cut to fit the bottom of her hoof. It seemed to come though pretty quickly. |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Did you use gorilla or duct tape...I had always used preemie baby diapers and haven't heard of animalintec pads. Did you get them from a feed store or tractor supply? Or get them from a vet? oh...forget to ask...did you get veterinary strength dmso or the weaker mix you can buy off the shelf?
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| I have never figured out why you ladies let horse shoers lead a charmed life ...
Never have I heard anyone call their shoer and tell them to get their butt out to your barn to fix the mess they created!!
OR for the shoer to send his vet out to their barn to doctor their horse the shoer screwed up at his cost and to return the money you paid to have the horse shod correctly .. not crippled!! ....
Just wondering.... never known the above to occur ...... when most women want to shoot most men just for saying Good Morning ... lol ..
The only advice I can give to any horse owner on hot nails or short trimmed horses is to keep you a small bottle of 100% pure Turpentine in your medicine chests and use a 3 ml syringe with no needle in it to drip turpentine in the hot nail holes or wet down the excessive trim job as soon as possible with a small cloth wet with turpentine. Do this several times a day for the next 3 days.
When using turpentine .. wrap a small hand towel around the hoof and ankle so none can leak on the hair line and possibly create a blister ...
Turpentine will dry up the hoof wall in the hole or trim and seal off the nerves that are inflamed and creating the pain .... a weeks rest and you are usually ready to go again. And of course cuss your shoer out big time!! |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Barrelhorse.... oh you would have been proud of not me but my daughter. She called him and he did get a butt chewing and request to refund my money. He said he'd have to see proof and didn't believe he placed even one hot nail....he was asked if he was interested in seeing at least 2 nails with blood and the way my horse was walking. Silent phone after that. Do I want him on my place again? Not only no but hell no. lol! He is apparently too full of himself to believe or admit he crippled one.....I just got in too big a hurry with mine...totally my fault. I just wanted the racing plates off asap and would have had to wait too long for the shoer I trust....I just hated leaving him in those toe grabs longer than necessary.
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| hopin4$ - 2014-03-09 4:37 AM
Barrelhorse.... oh you would have been proud of not me but my daughter. She called him and he did get a butt chewing and request to refund my money. He said he'd have to see proof and didn't believe he placed even one hot nail....he was asked if he was interested in seeing at least 2 nails with blood and the way my horse was walking. Silent phone after that. Do I want him on my place again? Not only no but hell no. lol! He is apparently too full of himself to believe or admit he crippled one.....I just got in too big a hurry with mine...totally my fault. I just wanted the racing plates off asap and would have had to wait too long for the shoer I trust....I just hated leaving him in those toe grabs longer than necessary.
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Why are you blaming yourself ?? You hired a "professional' to do something he was supposed to be trained and good at and he mucked it up!!
I am proud of your daughter but it is up to you to send him a bill in a certified letter with return receipt requested asking for your money back and add in any expenses you have incurred otherwise ..... as many already know abscesses can cripple a horse for life and/or take a year or more of rehab before they can be rode again ....
Your refund letter and concern for his business practices and the condition he left your horse in...... Hopefully could make this guy a better man!!
You know and I know that your horse flinched, jerked his foot away and probably tried to rear up or lunge away from him when he got hit with the first hot nail ..... let alone the 2nd one or when he jerked out the hot nails and the nails he used to renail in the hot nail holes .. ....
GIVE HIM SOME MISERY ...
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2014-03-09 6:13 AM
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| im married to a farrier. so your first call should of been to your farrier. then when he pulled the shoe he could of doctored it right then while the nail hole was there, and then pack it... it should of been healed in 2 days. you didn't say how long the shoe was on before you noticed it was a hot nail. usually you know right then or the customer knows by the next day.. I would take horse to vet. I never heard of a horse cripped for 2 weeks because of a hot nail.... the vet can x ray hoof and then the ab cess can be dug out to relieve pressure..... |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | I knew it wasnt my fault the way he was done but I'm the type that knows the value od a good shoer so I meant I kicked myself for using someone else...lots of incompetent shoers out their sadly enough. also, to the wife of the farrier...if he was my regular shoer I would have called him but the damage was done...I did treat him when the shoes were pulled off....the vet saw him and said with the SIX hot nails to expect abscesses to appear...yes SIX. It was pathetic. Yes he was crippled right away. I got his shoes jerked off as soon as I could by my farrier and a friend was there and saw the nails, blood and other nail holes. Vet says abscesses take awhile to work out and xrays will be taken next Saturday if he's not doing better this week. Appreciate the help advice from you all. Thanks. I had read that if they aren't very sore then light exercise would help channel that abscess and that's why I started the post...to see if anyone had applied that and had success. In the meantime Im headed to tractor supply to get the stuff to start treating him with the furacin....Im going to put betadine in nail holes after soaking too, and then wrap. |
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| hopin4$ - 2014-03-09 4:26 AM Did you use gorilla or duct tape...I had always used preemie baby diapers and haven't heard of animalintec pads. Did you get them from a feed store or tractor supply? Or get them from a vet? oh...forget to ask...did you get veterinary strength dmso or the weaker mix you can buy off the shelf?
We just used vet wrap to wrap her hoof. We have used duct tape in the past, but with everything in michigan being a sheet of ice, we can't turn the horses out so we just used the vet wrap. You can get the animalintex pads at tractor supply. We just used over the counter type of DMSO that you can get at any feed store or TSC also.
http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?urlRequestType=Base&catalogId=10051&storeId=10151&productId=16720&langId=-1&errorViewName=ProductDisplayErrorView&categoryId=&parent_category_rn=&top_category=&urlLangId=&cm_vc=-10005 |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Canchaser1587 - 2014-03-09 10:51 AM
hopin4$ - 2014-03-09 4:26 AM Did you use gorilla or duct tape...I had always used preemie baby diapers and haven't heard of animalintec pads. Did you get them from a feed store or tractor supply? Or get them from a vet? oh...forget to ask...did you get veterinary strength dmso or the weaker mix you can buy off the shelf?
We just used vet wrap to wrap her hoof. We have used duct tape in the past, but with everything in michigan being a sheet of ice, we can't turn the horses out so we just used the vet wrap. You can get the animalintex pads at tractor supply. We just used over the counter type of DMSO that you can get at any feed store or TSC also.http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?urlRequestType=Base&catalogId=10051&storeId=10151&productId=16720&langId=-1&errorViewName=ProductDisplayErrorView&categoryId=&parent_category_rn=&top_category=&urlLangId=&cm_vc=-10005
Thanks, Canchaser! |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | hopin4$ - 2014-03-08 2:17 AM Made a huge booboo and used a new farrier who promptly put several hotnails in my gelding. Jerked shoes off and after 2 weeks of being (newly introducesow the recent veterinary take on this? Acts like ouchy from barefoot...Thanks for any input. Exercise would be on really nice sand. Also have read bute stops abscess healing....anyone know the medical verdict? Plays and all that like he's enjoying life and never resents moving but ladies, don't make mistake I did and assume a shoer can place good nails because he's a shoer. I was at work when he put them on too....that won't happen again!
I was told at Auburn Veterinary Hospital not to bute.......the anti inflammatory actually prevented the abscess from breaking though.
As for exercise.......yes but more of a turn out and horse on its on.............was the recommendation we got from vet....... |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | CJE - 2014-03-09 1:25 PM
hopin4$ - 2014-03-08 2:17 AM Made a huge booboo and used a new farrier who promptly put several hotnails in my gelding. Jerked shoes off and after 2 weeks of being (newly introducesow the recent veterinary take on this? Acts like ouchy from barefoot...Thanks for any input. Exercise would be on really nice sand. Also have read bute stops abscess healing....anyone know the medical verdict? Plays and all that like he's enjoying life and never resents moving but ladies, don't make mistake I did and assume a shoer can place good nails because he's a shoer. I was at work when he put them on too....that won't happen again!
I was told at Auburn Veterinary Hospital not to bute.......the anti inflammatory actually prevented the abscess from breaking though.
As for exercise.......yes but more of a turn out and horse on its on.............was the recommendation we got from vet.......
CJE...he is sure enjoying his playtime! lol! I appreciate it...did they tell you why the bute stops the healing? I'd read that too. I bought all kinds of things today. I can cure any foot problem on the planet now...I went down the isles getting one of everything! lol! |
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| If the shoes were pulled promptly he may not even have abscesses. Could just be sensitive cause of no shoes and a short trim. As barrelhorse said, turpentine in the nail holes and a little on the sole works wonders. Apply with a syringe. |
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| Honeymoney - 2014-03-09 2:17 PM
If the shoes were pulled promptly he may not even have abscesses. Could just be sensitive cause of no shoes and a short trim. As barrelhorse said, turpentine in the nail holes and a little on the sole works wonders. Apply with a syringe.
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THANK YOU KINDLY.....
Here is another barn medicine cabinet must have .... most vets and drug
stores carry it ... just make sure you get the strong kind ...
ICHTHAMMOL ...
black stinky greasy and nasty ... use gloves .. lol
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16436
Slop some ICHY on a pad and inside the hoof and duct tape it on ...
re-apply every 24 hours after hosing the hoof out ..
If you are trying to draw out abscesses or strangles boils ... then keep this stuff
smeared on the areas .... to make them open up and drain the pus ...
It is very doubtful xrays at this time can see the pockets of pus if any are
present .... just keep in mind abscesses in hoofs want to travel to the coronet
band and take 6 months to do it and if they split the hoof sooner like a weeping
sand blister ...
take the point of your pocket knife and drill a little hole to help relieve the pressure in the hoof by draining the pus out of there ...
There is no expansion to a hoof so an abscess or hoof infection can be a
throbbing nightmare to your horses ..
If it was mine ... I would also give 5 days of PEN G 20cc per day ... give your horse's
immune system all the help you can to downsize the size of the abscesses ...
GOOD LUCK !!
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| My vet always has me dig out the abscesses, as if you have a digital pulse and warm feet, your horse could be foundering.
Once my abscesses are draining I have stuck them on antibiotics to speed up the recovery.
I wouldn't suggest riding, and I would say banamine, as when it comes to feet my vet always suggests banamine over bute. |
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| hopin4$ - 2014-03-09 1:46 PM
CJE - 2014-03-09 1:25 PM
hopin4$ - 2014-03-08 2:17 AM Made a huge booboo and used a new farrier who promptly put several hotnails in my gelding. Jerked shoes off and after 2 weeks of being (newly introducesow the recent veterinary take on this? Acts like ouchy from barefoot...Thanks for any input. Exercise would be on really nice sand. Also have read bute stops abscess healing....anyone know the medical verdict? Plays and all that like he's enjoying life and never resents moving but ladies, don't make mistake I did and assume a shoer can place good nails because he's a shoer. I was at work when he put them on too....that won't happen again!
I was told at Auburn Veterinary Hospital not to bute.......the anti inflammatory actually prevented the abscess from breaking though.
As for exercise.......yes but more of a turn out and horse on its on.............was the recommendation we got from vet.......CJE...he is sure enjoying his playtime! lol! I appreciate it...did they tell you why the bute stops the healing? I'd read that too. I bought all kinds of things today. I can cure any foot problem on the planet now...I went down the isles getting one of everything! lol!
I was told bute suppresses bone marrow production therefore suppresses white blood cells. |
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| I've been told the abscesses burst because of pressure (inflammation). If you give an anti-inflammatory (bute), then it takes a lot longer for it to burst. |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Today may have been a good start. I had gone and bought a wholee list of things....soaking boot, vet wrap, sole formula, already had turpentine, Rickkens, ichthomol, magic cushion, furacin, dmso gel, betadine ...seriously went down the isle and figured it was time to restock! lol! Good thing Ive worked lots of overtime. Came home and cleaned everything out good and all of a sudden there was blood coming out! woohooo....guess more may be coming and I'll be ready. This Ivory JAmes has got to be the sweetest natured horse ever to let me doctor him with no ill will at all. Didn't give any more bute and he seems to be getting around great...still tender and I'll keep treating. If one doesn't help, I'll try something else. lol. Thank you for all the advice and input. |
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