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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Having a discussion recently, and I wanted other opinions. I've heard of 3/4 ton trucks pulling 22,000+ with airbags. I know what the sticker says, just wondering if anyone else goes over the recommended load weight and what your experiences are? |
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Location: sunny california | hope you don't get in an accident and get sued |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | That didn't really help... but,
I'm not pulling that much. I'm just curious. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Even with airbags, you can easily overload what your tires on a SRW can handle. Plus the stability of the DRW is needed with a longer/heavier trailer. To answer your question, my last rig was a 3/4 ton pulling a trailer that was about 11,000 fully loaded. It handled it fine, but that was as much as I wanted to put on it. My current trailer is 11,000 pounds empty and the pin weight is a lot higher than the other one. It squatted the 3/4 badly when I pulled it up the road empty to put it on scales. The pin weight was at the max for a 1 ton SRW, and tires were going to be a problem, so I went with a dually. |
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Location: Warsaw,NY | I just bought a Lakota 15'sw w/slide, empty weight is 9940. I also pull a 35" 5th wheel toy hauler, empty weight is 9600, that thing has 126 gallon water tank. trucks pulls it great |
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Location: Iowa | I pull a 3 horse with 10 ft LQ. Usually, have 1 - 2 horses with a 2500 HD 4x4. Its not always about can you pull the weight, it's about getting stopped in time. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I'd be more worried about the stability and the stopping power. |
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Location: TX | From my understanding the only difference between a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton is the brakes.
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| I have a Ram 2500 diesel and my trailer fully loaded is about 12,000 pounds and it has no trouble pulling or stopping, however I do not think that I would want to go much more over that. It did squat the truck so we had airbags put on and it definitely made a difference. |
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| shoestringacres - 2016-02-24 7:26 AM
From my understanding the only difference between a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton is the brakes.
That's pretty much what I've been told too. Brakes and a few other things.
We pull more than we should with ours, a lot more. Give yourself time to stop, not much ability to when you're heavy! |
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| We pulled a Platinum 3 horse with 12' SW with 3/4 ton Ford with airbags. I wouldnt want to put more than that on one. Got the job done but always felt safer pulling it with my dually. |
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| Just ordered a 3H Lakota with a 8' short wall. 23' on the floor
A good friend of ours who has owned many trucks and trailers over the years was less worried about the weight going longer and more worried about stability.
This trailer more than suites are needs today and when we need to replace one of our trucks we'll look for a 1 Ton dually |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | shoestringacres - 2016-02-24 7:26 AM From my understanding the only difference between a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton is the brakes.
Brakes, springs...and dual rear wheels make a HUGE difference. But yes, the engine/tranny, etc is identical. Pulling power is not the problem, control and stability are. |
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| The issue isn't about pulling power, dodge has the same engine in the 3/4 and 1 ton.
The issue is safety, what happens when a tire blows out and you are going along at 60-70mph. Nothing good will come of that.
What happens when the brakes fail on the trailer and you have to rely on the trucks brakes to maintain control going down a hill.
What happens when you have to go through a city and the light changes red and you can't stop in time and smash into oncoming traffic, or the vehicle ahead of you.
My lq trailer is 10,000 empty, my tires were heating up on a single axel 1 ton, (the tires were the highest weight grade for the rim), I had to get a dually. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Hope i dont ever get in front of some of you guys....the most i ever pulled with my 3/4 was a 3 horse with a front tack.......as a lot if ppl have stated its not what you can pull its what you can stop...m |
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Location: N Texas | I used to have a 4-horse with a large dressing room (never put in LQ) and fully loaded, my 2500 diesel towed it and stopped just fine. However, I live in a very flat area, so hills aren't a problem, and my trailer brakes definitely helped.
There was one time that I towed a large load of hay on a heavy flatbed trailer, so I was well over 16,000 pounds. I will never do that again. I was driving less than 15 miles, but it was so heavy and the brakes on the trailer weren't the best, that I was a nervous wreck the whole way home.
I honestly wouldn't go much over 12,000, I can't imagine anyone safely towing 22,000 with a 2500, that's insane. |
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Location: West Texas | I think about 12,000 lbs max would be what I would pull with a 3/4 ton on a regular basis. That is with airbags, supersprings, or the overload springs. Without the extra spring package of some sort, I think about 10,000 would be about the limit for much hauling. I have pulled up to about 18-19k with a 3/4 ton that sure was way too much, but it was just on a very rare occasion and I only went 45-50 mph.
With a single wheel one ton, I would up my max numbers to about 14,000-15,000. That said, anything above 12,000 is best with a dually. As everyone has already stated, the question is stability and safety. For a one ton dually, I would think about 18,000 would be max before I would feel a 4500 was needed. Now, I would pull heavier every now and then, adjusting my speed ect. But for much routine hauling, you need a certain level of extra margin, in my opinion. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I do not know much about weights and what not, but when my husband and I were shopping (only had his 3/4 ton GMC at the time) we were told (by some trailer dealers) that the most we could do would be a 4H 8'8" SW or 3H 10'8" SW (Elite, Platinum, 4Star, etc. the heavy and well made trailers).
We wound up buying me a 1 ton and then went with a 4H 10'8" SW Elite and there is no way that would even think about a lesser truck... even if it was two feet less in the shortwall or minus one slant. |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | I think you need to clarify if you are asking for a diesel or gas. My 3/4 ton gas is rated to pull 13,000lbs. My trailer is 6500lbs empty and hauls 3. A diesel can probably handle 20,000lbs +/-. My 1 ton diesel, SRW, was rated for 24,000 lbs. |
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Location: West Texas | barlracr429 - 2016-02-24 1:09 PM
I think you need to clarify if you are asking for a diesel or gas. My 3/4 ton gas is rated to pull 13,000lbs. My trailer is 6500lbs empty and hauls 3. A diesel can probably handle 20,000lbs +/-. My 1 ton diesel, SRW, was rated for 24,000 lbs.
The 24,000 lbs you are referring to is probably the Gross Combined Weight Rating. This GCWR is the maximum allowable combined weight of the vehicle, passengers cargo in the tow vehicle, plus the weight of the trailer and cargo in the trailer.
The max trailer weight is much less than 24,000 for a 1 ton single wheel. I would not want to pull that much with a 1 ton diesel dually. I think pulling a well loaded flatbed, one could pull heavier than a horse trailer. Horse trailers catch more wind gust and horses move and kick etc. in the trailer. This combo in a max loaded trailer will sure make the tow vehicle less capable. I would think it prudent to pull 25% less than max load for a horse trailer than a tied down, stationary load. |
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