Joint Supplement/Skin Condition/Tying Up

You are logged in as a guest. Logon or register an account to access more features.

Joint Supplement/Skin Condition/Tying Up Moderators: luluwhit, gotothewhip, cindyt, crossspur, ForumAdmin Jump to page :	Last activity 2015-09-11 9:31 PM 24 replies, 6288 views View previous thread :: View next thread
General Discussion -> Barrel Talk


coastal rider Reg. Apr 2006	Posted 2015-09-07 7:53 PM Subject: RE: Joint Supplement/Skin Condition/Tying Up
Veteran Posts: 139 Location: Abbotsford B.C. Canada	The tying up worries me and it may help to get the horse assessed at least for the PSSM problem using the hair samples sent to Dr. Valberg U of Minn Vet School. Aside from the great advice alreday offered make sure the diet is well supplied with not just vitamin E but also Selenium. You can ask around about the soils in your area. If they are low in selenium the forages will be low. Sometimes a horse that is an easy keeper is not fed recommended levels of a performance horse feed because you feel the calories are excessive. In that case ask you feed supplier if they have a supplement that supplies all the vitamins, minerals and protein but not much energy and dial in the energy you need. If the horse is hyper add veg oil for energy to relax the horse. You can feed 1-2 cups veg oil each day and that is an energy source that lowers blood sugar and may help keep him from losing his noodle yet gives him plenty of power. You can also consider adding about 20 grams of magnesium oxide each day as a calming agent. We just had research presented at equine science society showing it reduces fear response in horse by about 1/3 rd in controlled studies. We usually used mag ox and 1 stp a day biochromium for race horses that tie up and we think it helps potentiate the action of insulin keeping blood glucos elevels down, ( ayeb why it calms horses??). Anyways a high fat and fiber diet may help. Make sure you feed some flax at a cup a day or omega three fattya acid supplement especialy for skin issues and anti inflammatory effects and use a hoof supplement if you have skin issues. The hoof is just and extension of the hair/skin and I believe it will help a skin issue. Make sure lots of vitamin E at minimum 1000 iu/day possibly 2000 from natural sources and selenium at about 2-3 mg per day total added ( subject to soil etc and natural forages contact your county ag agent). Balance the rest with a supplement or proper amount of performance horse feed. Feed companies have nutrition people you can talk to. Add some alflafa as a natural buffer to control ulcers and reduce stress as well. Maybe at least 5 lbs per day. Cheers. Coastal Rider.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom

cheryl makofka Reg. Jan 2011	Posted 2015-09-07 10:37 PM Subject: RE: Joint Supplement/Skin Condition/Tying Up
The Advice Guru Posts: 6419	Tdove - 2015-09-03 10:58 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-09-03 10:16 AM For horses that have issues with tying up...a low starch, high fat diet is the way to go. Stay away from sugary hay (alfalfa), and sugary grain. Actually, Alfalfa is one of the lowest starch hays and feeds. Here is a chart showing average NSC % in various feed sources. Note that Rice Bran is higher in starch than alfalfa. Both Rice Bran and Alfalfa are commonly given to horses with PSSM and RER. Even then, not all horses that tie up or have tied up benefit from a severely low starch diet. Oat Hay......................22.1% Barley Hay................. 20.4% Alfalfa Hay................. 11.3% Bermudagrass Hay.......13.6% Grass Hay.................. 13.8% Alfalfa Pellets.................9.3% Alfalfa Cubes................10.2% Grass Pasture...............12.1% Rice Bran.................... 21.2% Oats............................54.1% Corn............................73.3% Barley..........................61.7% Beet Pulp......................12.3% Wheat Bran.................. 31.1% Soybean Hulls................. 6.3% Wheat Middlings.............32.0% Soybean Meal ................16.2% *Values are from Equi-Analytical Laboratories, Ithaca, NY, reported on dry matter basis. - See more at: http://www.triplecrownfeed.com/articles/horsenutrition-carbohydrate... I would be interested in seeing what winwillows opinion is on the analysis I wonder what cutting of alfalfa, as all the nutritionists vets I speak to say alfalfa has more NSC then grass hay.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom

Tdove Reg. Apr 2015	Posted 2015-09-08 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Joint Supplement/Skin Condition/Tying Up
Elite Veteran Posts: 851 Location: West Texas	It was a multiyear study with various sources and samples tested. Alfalfa is known to have a low NSC content. In this study the ranges were: Alfalfa................8.8-13.9 Bermuda............9.4-17.7 Grass Hay..........9.2-18.4 Alfalfa is routinely recommended as part of the equine diet for tying up horses. Dr. Valberg (probably the foremost expert on tying up) has it in several feeding rations for PSSM horses.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom

winwillows Reg. Jul 2013	Posted 2015-09-08 4:39 PM Subject: RE: Joint Supplement/Skin Condition/Tying Up
Expert Posts: 1695 Location: Willows, CA	The NSC levels on the above chart are pretty accurate. Contrary to what a lot of people think, Alfalfa is not a high NSC roughage. I use alfalfa in PSSM or ERM horses whenever I can. When used in combination with a grass hay, it lowers total NSC, slows the hind gut for better digestion of the grass hay portion of the diet which allows a reduction or elimination of grain based feeds and also provides a calcium source that may help with ulcers. When Stephanie Valberg was doing her amazing study, my office helped with the diets. Before that I had always used a straight grass hay diet for this issue. Dr. Valberg's work showed that this was not the answer. Today, we feed a lot of PSSM or suspected PSSM horses with very good result. There is much more to it than just diet. But, when managed properly overall, they can have a very productive performance life. I don't comment on specific formulations marketed by other manufacturers. In general, Triple Crown has a long history of making nice products. Edited by winwillows 2015-09-08 4:53 PM
↑ Top ↓ Bottom

sonyawalz Reg. Mar 2008	Posted 2015-09-11 9:31 PM Subject: RE: Joint Supplement/Skin Condition/Tying Up
The Crazy Mom Posts: 2132 Location: Ainsworth, NE	Compare exceed 6way to platinum CJ: http://www.medvetpharm.com/Images/2015%20exceed.pdf that is why I switched to exceed and became a dealer because I put all my horses on it!!!!
↑ Top ↓ Bottom