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Location: Montana | grinandbareit - 2014-05-28 3:14 PM It is my experience that it is not generally the horse that is anticipating the turn, but the driver. Stay two-handed, don't look at the barrel, look ahead of you, keep moving forward and then make your barrel turn. If she/you are doing it correctly slowly then you just need to be consistent when you add a little speed. Do it the same exact way. Good luck!
^^^I have to agree with this...how do I know? I'm a big anticipator, and I know it is going to hurt our runs in the long run and the short run. So I'm trying to take my and my horse's trainer's advice and wait until her shoulder is by the barrel before I go one handed and start to turn. We are only really bad on our first barrel (and we aren't hitting, knock on wood). But it might be an idea! Or wait to turn until your leg is by the barrel. So, more slow work for us (i.e. ME! LOL) so I can get the position right. We are (I am) great up to a lope through, but when we add speed we are not there yet...but I feel like we are (I am, ha-ha) going to get it right eventually. :) So, with that being said, you will get by this and the barrel too!  | |
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Location: IL | mtcanchazer - 2014-05-28 8:48 PM
grinandbareit - 2014-05-28 3:14 PM It is my experience that it is not generally the horse that is anticipating the turn, but the driver. Stay two-handed, don't look at the barrel, look ahead of you, keep moving forward and then make your barrel turn. If she/you are doing it correctly slowly then you just need to be consistent when you add a little speed. Do it the same exact way. Good luck!
^^^I have to agree with this...how do I know? I'm a big anticipator, and I know it is going to hurt our runs in the long run and the short run. So I'm trying to take my and my horse's trainer's advice and wait until her shoulder is by the barrel before I go one handed and start to turn. We are only really bad on our first barrel (and we aren't hitting, knock on wood). But it might be an idea! Or wait to turn until your leg is by the barrel. So, more slow work for us (i.e. ME! LOL) so I can get the position right. We are (I am) great up to a lope through, but when we add speed we are not there yet...but I feel like we are (I am, ha-ha) going to get it right eventually. :) So, with that being said, you will get by this and the barrel too!Â
Haha! I love your explanation and thank you for your encouragement! :) I sure hope we can get past the barrel cause have a nasty bruise and scab on my shin from the time we didn't quite make it by! Lol I do think it has to be me cueing too early for the turn, probably by sitting too soon. I'm going to start sitting for the turn farther past the barrel in our slow work and see how it goes! *fingers crossed!* haha! | |
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Location: IL | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-28 8:29 PM
Get someone to video you, as I also suspect you are cueing your horse with your body.
Read Ed Wright's book, it is a very useful tool, at his clinics he speaks about turning the barrel a few times, one taking them out a 8, 10, 12 feet away from the barrel, then bringing them back in. He also talks about going up and reverse arcing away from the barrel. His methods really do work.
I actually own Ed Wrights book but it's been quite awhile since I read it. Maybe its time I pull it out and read through it again. I do love his methods. I've done the 3 distance drill with this mare a couple times but haven't done it in awhile. This mare is sometimes too smart for her own good. Do a certain maneuver with her twice and, being the over achiever tht she is, will keep doing that exact maneuver. So needless to say there were a couple times I went to turn the barrel once but she thought we needed to turn it two more times! Lol. But I think I'll start throwing that drill into our work randomly and see if it helps. If not for her but to help me :) | |
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Location: USA | I had the same problem with my TB mare and she's the big anticipator but only on the 2nd barrel. I have to make sure when I kicking her and pushing her through the pattern that I use my leg closest to the barrel more and keep her in line between my hands and make sure she stays above herself if she does that we ace the 2nd barrel. And if she gets on her hind end she usually doesn't shoulder because she's already balancing herself. But she's more of a free runner with my push style mare I had on her second I'd do the same thing with my legs but right before the barrel I'd raise my hand till my leg passes the barrel then lower it and she'd turn it.
Also, a horse naturally moves away from pressure so doing your warm up or slow work trying getting the corner of her eye and still making her go straight or move off your leg because your other rein should be lose while the one your pulling on to get her eye should have some pressure making her want to move over to the loose rein. Also, don't forget leg, I like to use more leg and seat than I do rein. | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I would bet its the rider. I do the same thing in bigger patterns when I have too much time to think, or have my head up my rear I'm not sure which. Just last night I went to my first big outdoor run of the season. I asked wayyyyyyy too soon at the 3rd barrel. Thankfully my mare is too dang honest and didn't turn right into it like I asked but we did lose a lot of time. I'll work on that next week.
Edited by CYA Ranch 2014-05-29 9:34 AM
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| 3 To Go - 2014-05-28 2:02 PM TACKyPaints - 2014-05-28 9:34 AM Looking for some suggestions, tips, and/or drills for a horse that is anticipating the turns. When just trotting or slow loping between the barrels (breaking down to trot around barrels) she works great. But when I go to slow lope her through the pattern she starts to anticipate the turns especially her second barrel. Help? If you have a ratey horse this is the last thing you want to do with them. When you go from moving faster to moving slow (ie, lope to trot ) you are telling them to slow down. Why would you expect any different when you go faster? By doing your above mentioned drill you are re-enforcing "slow down at the barrel" and saying to the horse "I want you to change speed/slow down here". If your goal with the drill is collection at the barrel then you need to work on lengthening and shortening the stride. Your horse should be able to go the same speed to and around the barrel, while shortening the stride when you get there to prepare for collection in the turn.
Totally agree with this statement. My bay mare is cowhorse bred and can't wait to sit and turn. The drill where you ask for more speed at the barrel has helped me get by them a lot better. So I walk to a barrel then trot around it. Then trot up and lope around it. Then lope up and run around it. I have to really hustle her on the backside too which I had to learn to get up and kick her on the backside instead of just sitting there. | |
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