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| SKM - 2016-03-31 6:40 PM Whiteboy - 2016-03-31 4:57 PM I'd take the Sticks an Stones mare anyday over the rest of them. A recognizable name upclose will outsell any of that other nonsense. And it's that mindset that produces mediocre horses. The weakest link in almost all pedigrees posted here is that maternal side. A strong maternal lines full of black type mares and broodmare sires will out produce a mare with nothing but a well known sire just about every single time. It takes more than just one well known sire to produce a winning horse. But what do I know? Maybe I'm just pickier than most when it comes to pedigrees and looks. For breeding it should be the full package on both sides.
To the op check out Stickin To Mepmphis who produced VF Red Rinestones
or PO JO STICK who produced High on a stone and Skippin Stones
or MS Janes Stone who produced Sunny Two Socks
or Fondas Pebbles.
Edited by Whiteboy 2016-04-01 2:29 PM
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Whiteboy - 2016-04-01 12:34 PM SKM - 2016-03-31 6:40 PM Whiteboy - 2016-03-31 4:57 PM I'd take the Sticks an Stones mare anyday over the rest of them. A recognizable name upclose will outsell any of that other nonsense. And it's that mindset that produces mediocre horses. The weakest link in almost all pedigrees posted here is that maternal side. A strong maternal lines full of black type mares and broodmare sires will out produce a mare with nothing but a well known sire just about every single time. It takes more than just one well known sire to produce a winning horse. But what do I know? Maybe I'm just pickier than most when it comes to pedigrees and looks. For breeding it should be the full package on both sides. Blacktype several generations back on the track doesn't have anything to do with producing a barrel horse. Has that maternal line ever produced a barrel horse? What about Hold On To The Cash, has a daughter of his ever produced a barrel horse? The answer is no, according to Equistat. While on the other hand Stick an Stones daughters have produced over $570,000. It does take more than a well known sire to produce a winning horse...it takes proven broodmare sires, proven sire, great trainers, lots of luck, ect. ect. ect. To the op check out Stickin To Mepmphis who produced VF Red Rinestones or PO JO STICK who produced High on a stone and Skippin Stones or MS Janes Stone who produced Sunny Two Socks or Fondas Pebbles.
Edited by wyoming barrel racer 2016-04-01 3:59 PM
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-04-01 3:57 PM Whiteboy - 2016-04-01 12:34 PM SKM - 2016-03-31 6:40 PM Whiteboy - 2016-03-31 4:57 PM I'd take the Sticks an Stones mare anyday over the rest of them. A recognizable name upclose will outsell any of that other nonsense. And it's that mindset that produces mediocre horses. The weakest link in almost all pedigrees posted here is that maternal side. A strong maternal lines full of black type mares and broodmare sires will out produce a mare with nothing but a well known sire just about every single time. It takes more than just one well known sire to produce a winning horse. But what do I know? Maybe I'm just pickier than most when it comes to pedigrees and looks. For breeding it should be the full package on both sides.
Blacktype several generations back on the track doesn't have anything to do with producing a barrel horse. Has that maternal line ever produced a barrel horse? What about Hold On To The Cash, has a daughter of his ever produced a barrel horse? The answer is no, according to Equistat. While on the other hand Stick an Stones daughters have produced over $570,000. It does take more than a well known sire to produce a winning horse...it takes proven broodmare sires, proven sire, great trainers, lots of luck, ect. ect. ect.
To the op check out Stickin To Mepmphis who produced VF Red Rinestones
or PO JO STICK who produced High on a stone and Skippin Stones
or MS Janes Stone who produced Sunny Two Socks
or Fondas Pebbles.
I was speaking about Streaking Daffodil. I don't have a clue nor care about SKM's horses. Strictly keeping the discussion about the 3 horses listed above. | |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-03-31 3:25 PM
barrelracer63046304 - 2016-03-31 2:17 PM Warriors Mom - 2016-03-31 11:51 AM black type black type black type... you want the dams to have had produced.... How do I find that out? Thanks!
I wish this was true...I have two non black type great bred running mares for sale....I can not get them gone, and they are priced very cheap.... and the reasons I get when people inquire is they are not black types.. :( | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Pedigree wise I like This Moon Rocks. BUT the mare has to have a good mind and conformation too. I don't worry about black type on a mare for a barrel baby. I care more about her physical and mental attributes as well as her pedigree. Is her pedigree known for crossing disciplines to barrels? Is she going to produce a trainable baby? Did she stay sound if she performed? If she didn't stay sound, what was the problem and was it conformation related? Did she have the right kind of speed? I care more about producing a foal who has several possible careers in their future. Because not everyone (very few) is a world class trainer and not everyone can ride or deal with a crouch rocket. If they don't make a barrel horse they should be able to do something else.
The NFR is littered with horses that don't have stellar pedigrees. So I don't think it matters as much for barrels as it does for the track.
ETA: If you're talking about BARREL racing black type. Like a futurity winner or 1D/Rodeo horse producer. Then YA I'm all over that "black type". I have several of those type of mares. But they weren't when I bought or raised them. I just had to wait 41691651651651651 years for their babies to get proven in the arena. I have a couple that were good barrel horses themselves but unraced on the track or they are full siblings to several 1D/rodeo barrel horses. Arena performance means a lot more to me than racetrack performance if you're raising arena horses. Just because a horse was a good racehorse doesn't mean they will be able to cross over to the arena.
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| I liked the Sticks and Stones mare also, but the Holding the cash would be next. I think it really depends on if you are wanting to sell the resulting baby or keep it to run. If sellability (is that a word lol) is what you want, might want to go with the HTC mare just becuase she does have more black type, proven lines, but I know a lot of people that wouldnt want her for the double Beduino. | |
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