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rockybar
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2015-11-17 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: Kissing spine in barrel horses


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So after surgery what did people do for rehab with horses ? Any special exercises? How long of rehab before you were able to start riding again ? Is CSI pads good ones that most people changed to after surgery ?
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realitycheck
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2015-12-07 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: Kissing spine in barrel horses


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I haven't posted much here in the last few years, but have been trying to find more information on kissing spines.
My horse was diagnosed this fall with KS.  He has always been one to get real sore for a few different reasons, but I found with having a good shoer and hock injections that I could keep him fairly sound. 
Then this summer, after making a fantastic run and ending up 3rd in the 2D, he just didn't feel right.  His times weren't as fast, he was going by first, felt sore to the right, didn't like picking up the right lead and was really, really sore in his back.  
I figured that his sore back was due to an old injury to his right hip so I took him in and had his whorlbones, hip area and lower back injected.  (Before injecting the vet did flexion tests and he flexed sound.)
For about 2 weeks those injections really seemed to help, then slowly not so much.  And he still wasn't clocking.  
By the end of August he wasn't even in the 5D money. 
I just couldn't figure out what the heck?  Then I watched him get up from rolling.  He wouldn't put weight on his right hind.  I thought it had to be an injury to that right hind suspensory.
Took him back to the vet and kept asking questions, telling him what I was feeling and what I was seeing.  That is when he said to xray his back.  
Sure enough!  There is was.  KS in 3 of the spines.  He said that we could inject and if those didn't work we could do surgery, but I wanted to do some research.  ( that and I was just over it.  LOL)
This was in September.
I found a lot of information on english discipline websites.  I am going to try some of what they recommend to do and then injections.  Then go from there.  
I did find out that is very common in jumping horses.  


 

Edited by realitycheck 2015-12-07 1:33 PM
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livinonlove&horses
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2015-12-07 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: Kissing spine in barrel horses



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rockybar - 2015-11-17 10:24 PM So after surgery what did people do for rehab with horses ? Any special exercises? How long of rehab before you were able to start riding again ? Is CSI pads good ones that most people changed to after surgery ?

My chiro is an english gal and she is the one who picked up on the KS with mine.  I had injections done and when I am riding(not right now) I do a Pessoa system, cavalettis, tummy tucks.  lots of exercises to strengthen the core and I do a lot of it from the ground so they are good and strong before adding my weight.  mine are getting the winter off. but in jan i will start doing cavalettis and in hand work over poles with my KS.  just so she doesnt get out of shape over the winter
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quickdraw
Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2015-12-07 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Kissing spine in barrel horses


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I've had 3 different horses with kissing spine. One had surgery. And recovered great. Two were not good candidates for surgery. Usually they will be very sore and tight over the lower lumbar. It hurts more when they are turning so some symptoms are they will avoid using their hind end during the turns, some will buck during or right after turning a barrel, or other bizarre behavior. IMO on the X-rays they simply have bones too large and lack of soft tissue. Research indicates their ligaments along the spine are too tight. The more you condition them, the more they tighten up, the more the problem is aggravated. It is a painful condition. Any time you have bones rubbing bones ( and pinching nerves and soft tissue) no injection is going to fix that IMO. I strongly suggest do the surgery if they are a good candidate. The most frustrating part after surgery is it seems to take forever for their hair to grow back over the incision sight and it will rub raw if you ride before it is haired over. I rode mine bareback some and ponied her a lot to condition her.
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BobbieL
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2015-12-07 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: Kissing spine in barrel horses




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 Mine just got diagnosed Saturday. We did injections and he has me doing exercises to strengthen her back and posture. Kinda like us doing crunches. Then in a week we will start rehab. I can't ride her again for 2 months. We are really focusing on her building her strength and getting her muscles to relax. I also bought the book The Crooked Horse that is suppose to help with this. 
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realitycheck
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2015-12-08 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Kissing spine in barrel horses


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livinonlove&horses - 2015-12-07 2:03 PM
rockybar - 2015-11-17 10:24 PM So after surgery what did people do for rehab with horses ? Any special exercises? How long of rehab before you were able to start riding again ? Is CSI pads good ones that most people changed to after surgery ?
My chiro is an english gal and she is the one who picked up on the KS with mine.  I had injections done and when I am riding(not right now) I do a Pessoa system, cavalettis, tummy tucks.  lots of exercises to strengthen the core and I do a lot of it from the ground so they are good and strong before adding my weight.  mine are getting the winter off. but in jan i will start doing cavalettis and in hand work over poles with my KS.  just so she doesnt get out of shape over the winter

I am so glad you mentioned the Pessoa system.  
I have also been talking with the makers of the Equiami system.  She said they have had great results treating KS horses with the Equiami.  
Equiami is sort of like the Pessoa but runs in more of a circle.  
All of the reading I have been doing points to long, low lunging to help build the abs and help support the top line.  Reteaching a horse how to move by getting his hind end up under him and lifting the abs.  One article called it core strengthening.

Here is a link to the Equiami system

http://www.equiami.com/
 
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BobbieL
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2015-12-08 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: Kissing spine in barrel horses




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realitycheck - 2015-12-08 9:32 AM
livinonlove&horses - 2015-12-07 2:03 PM
rockybar - 2015-11-17 10:24 PM So after surgery what did people do for rehab with horses ? Any special exercises? How long of rehab before you were able to start riding again ? Is CSI pads good ones that most people changed to after surgery ?
My chiro is an english gal and she is the one who picked up on the KS with mine.  I had injections done and when I am riding(not right now) I do a Pessoa system, cavalettis, tummy tucks.  lots of exercises to strengthen the core and I do a lot of it from the ground so they are good and strong before adding my weight.  mine are getting the winter off. but in jan i will start doing cavalettis and in hand work over poles with my KS.  just so she doesnt get out of shape over the winter
I am so glad you mentioned the Pessoa system.  

I have also been talking with the makers of the Equiami system.  She said they have had great results treating KS horses with the Equiami.  

Equiami is sort of like the Pessoa but runs in more of a circle.  

All of the reading I have been doing points to long, low lunging to help build the abs and help support the top line.  Reteaching a horse how to move by getting his hind end up under him and lifting the abs.  One article called it core strengthening.



Here is a link to the Equiami system


http://www.equiami.com/

 

Thanks for sharing this. I am looking at their page now.  
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realitycheck
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2015-12-08 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: Kissing spine in barrel horses


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BobbieL - 2015-12-08 4:42 PM

realitycheck - 2015-12-08 9:32 AM
livinonlove&horses - 2015-12-07 2:03 PM
rockybar - 2015-11-17 10:24 PM So after surgery what did people do for rehab with horses ? Any special exercises? How long of rehab before you were able to start riding again ? Is CSI pads good ones that most people changed to after surgery ?
My chiro is an english gal and she is the one who picked up on the KS with mine.  I had injections done and when I am riding(not right now) I do a Pessoa system, cavalettis, tummy tucks.  lots of exercises to strengthen the core and I do a lot of it from the ground so they are good and strong before adding my weight.  mine are getting the winter off. but in jan i will start doing cavalettis and in hand work over poles with my KS.  just so she doesnt get out of shape over the winter
I am so glad you mentioned the Pessoa system.  

I have also been talking with the makers of the Equiami system.  She said they have had great results treating KS horses with the Equiami.  

Equiami is sort of like the Pessoa but runs in more of a circle.  

All of the reading I have been doing points to long, low lunging to help build the abs and help support the top line.  Reteaching a horse how to move by getting his hind end up under him and lifting the abs.  One article called it core strengthening.



Here is a link to the Equiami system


http://www.equiami.com/

 

Thanks for sharing this. I am looking at their page now.  

 You're welcome. :)
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