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 Go Your Own Way
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        Location: SE KS | What would you suggest on a horse that has begun fusing? | |
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 Experienced Mouse Trapper
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   Location: North Dakota | I am one that am always trying to find the cheap way out, because well, not much has been proven to work except injections and pentosan. I have a longer explanation on the thread that was there was a link given earlier. I only have experience with 2 horses that were having trouble but for the price, I will never go without pentosan if I can help it. The mare of my neighbors that I talked about in the other thread had bumps along her spine that no matter what the owner used would not go down and with the pentosan, those bumps are long gone. It is reasonable enough to try and see if you like it. If I had unlimited funds, I would go with Legend like Charmayne said-seriously, many, many horses have benefitted from Legend! I have never used adequan, have some friends that do, but never personnally. | |
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 Butter my Biscuits
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       Location: MI | Have used Pentosan on a couple of horses with satisfactory results but had one clients mare it did nothing for. Client liked the price so didn't want to admit it wasn't working. I finally had to get tough and tell her she wasn't allowed to ride in our lessons til she put her back on Adequan. When she did, it was immediately obvious. Went from dragging toe and not wanting to finish barrels 2 and 3, to becoming the wonderful packer that she normally is. | |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
    Location: Midwest | Pentosan is cheaper than Adequan. I pay $125 for 50 mL. I do a loading dose of 6 cc weekly for one month, then give as needed. Usually every other week. That is 6cc per 1000 lbs. I usually give a little extra (around 7) because my guy is around 1300.
I think these products for whatever reason will help some horses better than others. I tried acetyl D glucosamine, and it did zilch. Others say they see a difference.
Mine used to pull his hind legs away from me when I would pick them up. Now he's much looser and more comfortable.
I may try Adequan in the future. I've heard it works well. | |
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 BHW Resident Surgeon
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-03-20 2:38 PM Pentosan is cheaper than Adequan. I pay $125 for 50 mL. I do a loading dose of 6 cc weekly for one month, then give as needed. Usually every other week. That is 6cc per 1000 lbs. I usually give a little extra (around 7) because my guy is around 1300. I think these products for whatever reason will help some horses better than others. I tried acetyl D glucosamine, and it did zilch. Others say they see a difference. Mine used to pull his hind legs away from me when I would pick them up. Now he's much looser and more comfortable. I may try Adequan in the future. I've heard it works well.
Thanks Alison. That's a lot cheaper than Adequan and it sounds like the mechanism of action is similar. I bet it will compare well in future studies. I am giving it more as a precaution/maintenence than as a treatment for soreness, so I probably won't see a lot of difference. I think my 19 year old does get a little stiff and sore from time to time, but not very much. I think I might give this a try. | |
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 Tough Patooty
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   Location: Sperry, OK | Product Description Concentrated anti-inflammatory and stimulant of cartilage synthesis, repair and protection (250 mg/mL).
Composition Contains: Sodium Pentosan Polysulfate 250 mg/mL
Features and Benefits Sodium pentosan polysulfate (PPS) is a linear polymer prepared from xylan, a complex hemicellulose extract of plant (Beechwood) origin. PPS is one of the sulfated heparinoid compounds. The heparin-like anti-coagulant effects have been reduced and the anti-inflammatory, fibrinolytic, and tissue trophic effects have been enhanced. PENTOSAN EQUINE actively reverses the effects of osteoarthritis in the joints via a series of actions, including: (a) Stimulating Chondrocyte Metabolism - resulting in increased production of proteoglycans and healthy cartilage matrix. PPS stimulates synovial fibroblasts to produce increased amounts of high molecular weight hyaluronic acid which results in an increased production of normally viscous joint fluid. Improving the fluid volume and consistency results in more effective joint lubrication and stabilisation, which limits further cartilage damage. (b) Anti-inflammatory Activity - PPS has an inhibitory action on all mediators of the arachidonic acid cascade. PPS also inhibits the lysosomal catabolic enzymes hyaluronidase, histamine, cathepsin B, and polymorphonuclear elastase. PPS exerts a specific inhibitory effect on mediators implicated in the degradation of cartilage matrix components, preserving the cartilage and preventing the release of the highly inflammatory mediators, thus relieving pain and inflammation. (c) Fibrinolysis and Lipolysis - PPS is strongly fibrinolytic, stimulating the release of plasminogen activator, and promoting the dissolution of thrombi and fibrin deposits in synovial tissues and subchondral blood vessels. PPS also mobilises lipids and cholesterol in synovial and subchondral blood vessels, which have been implicated in the pathogenesis of osteoarthritis in older animals. These effects combine to increase the prefusion to the joint, which stimulates cartilage healing and repair. PENTOSAN EQUINE is a sophisticated approach to the long term management of osteoarthritis in horses. PENTOSAN EQUINE is equally effective by both intramuscular and intra-articular injection. Unlike traditional treatments, the unique effects of PENTOSAN EQUINE promote healing and the restoration of a healthy joint, in addition to having a safe antiinflammatory effect. PENTOSAN EQUINE is NOT a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug like Phenylbutazone, or the cortisones (both of which have damaging effects on joints with prolonged use). PENTOSAN EQUINE does not suppress joint cartilage healing and repair. Rather than simply masking pain, PPS directly stimulates joint healing and repair. Anti-inflammatory agents, corticosteroids and NSAIDs all relieve the symptoms of osteoarthritis but DO NOT ALTER THE DISEASE PROCESS. Both hydrocortisone and NSAIDs have a marked inhibitory effect on the biosynthesis of the components of the extracellular matrix of cartilage, which limits the early healing response of cartilage to injury.
Indications Non-infectious inflammatory joint disease, traumatic arthritis, degenerative cartilaginous joint disease, osteoarthritis and osteochondrosis dessicans in horses.
Dosage and Administration Administer at a dose rate of 3 mg/kg bodyweight (1.5 g / 500 kg horse), by intramuscular injection, at 5 - 7 day intervals for four injections. PENTOSAN EQUINE is equally effective when given by intramuscular or intra-articular injection. If intra-articular use is required, administer 1mL by sterile intra-articular injection. PPS has an affinity for cartilage, and active drug levels will accumulate for several days after administration. For maximum effect, tissues should be exposed to the drug over an extended period, hence the four injections. A period of improvement for up to 6 months following a course of four injections may be expected. If at any time during this period the horse becomes sore (e.g. following a particular activity), it is safe to administer a further injection to settle any inflammatory process. PENTOSAN EQUINE is particularly effective, and displays synergy with, concurrent use of COSEQUIN EQUINE (Glucosamine and Chondroitin sulfate supplement), to provide the essential raw materials for joint repair and maintenance. | |
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 Proud American Patriot
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      Location: Watertown, SD | rachellyn80 - 2014-03-20 9:44 AM They do two totally different things. Adequan is for long term maintenance. Legend has more of an analgesic effect and "takes the sting out" for short term relief. They work great when used together on a horse that has a tough run schedule.
This. FWIW, I used both when I was competing and with good results. As the ad says, "There is no generic Adequan". | |
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| Just an FYI the FDA approved NexHA last December which is exactly like Legend and about 30.00 cheaper per dose :-) | |
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 BHW Resident Surgeon
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Love2runbarrels - 2014-03-20 6:12 PM Just an FYI the FDA approved NexHA last December which is exactly like Legend and about 30.00 cheaper per dose :-)
This is interesting.....looks like I have more homework to do. | |
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| I run my guy on a legend shot a week. I noticed that his legs would be tight after the injection and I figured that was a good sign it was working. Well I thought I'd try NexHa and I couldn't believe how tight his legs were after. From my observations NexHa worked better in my horse. | |
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