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luckyjo
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Posted 2015-05-06 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: Barrel Bits recommended for more leverage/whoa/rate in a run


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If a SS isn't enough, try the medium shank dog bone. It's a keeper.
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k.maddocks24
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Posted 2015-05-06 3:29 PM
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TurnLane - 2015-05-06 12:04 PM

mruggles - 2015-05-06 11:55 AM More bit isn't always the answer...try riding him in a snaffle.......it may helpM

I agree. That is the quandry. I used to only ride o-ring or sidepulls. Or very short shanked bits. I am light handed although not quick to release one. So I moved up to liking the feel of more bit so I could do less work on rate and shape. Now I just have to improve releasing my horse on the backside sometimes.  

I was at a clinic a couple weeks ago, and an interesting point was raised. Not all the time, but in certain situations, riding in a snaffle the majority of the time can create a habit of heavy handedness and/or pulling for the rider. I hadn't ever thought about it in those terms, but it makes a lot of sense to me. I will go back to a snaffle for certain exercises, but knowing my horse and myself, I could very well train myself to be a puller if I used a snaffle all the time!
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astreakinchic
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2015-05-06 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: Barrel Bits recommended for more leverage/whoa/rate in a run


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k.maddocks24 - 2015-05-06 4:29 PM

TurnLane - 2015-05-06 12:04 PM

mruggles - 2015-05-06 11:55 AM More bit isn't always the answer...try riding him in a snaffle.......it may helpM

I agree. That is the quandry. I used to only ride o-ring or sidepulls. Or very short shanked bits. I am light handed although not quick to release one. So I moved up to liking the feel of more bit so I could do less work on rate and shape. Now I just have to improve releasing my horse on the backside sometimes.  

I was at a clinic a couple weeks ago, and an interesting point was raised. Not all the time, but in certain situations, riding in a snaffle the majority of the time can create a habit of heavy handedness and/or pulling for the rider. I hadn't ever thought about it in those terms, but it makes a lot of sense to me. I will go back to a snaffle for certain exercises, but knowing my horse and myself, I could very well train myself to be a puller if I used a snaffle all the time!

I think the point she was making originally is that if you lighten up on one bit wise sometimes they will do better, even though everything is telling you the complete opposite. I've seen one being ridden in 329 Combination Steel Nose from L&w often called the Alpo bit or the bit of shame, but we've hung a large smooth o-ring on them and sometimes they will turn the tops outta them.
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barrel_racing_angel
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2015-05-06 3:56 PM
Subject: RE: Merrill Bits/others for more leverage and whoa



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WyodivaSS - 2015-05-05 9:40 PM Thanks, I think I am going to try one of the Ed Wright Bits...I have the Cervi bit in a short shank and its not quite enough. Haven't tried the Merrill's but have gotten some feed back on Facebook.

 If you and he like the short shank SC bit, why don't you try the long shank Sherry Cervi? Once of my good horses runs in that bit with the twisted wire dog bone mouthpiece. Works great for us. I do have light hands in a run, its a lot of bit. 

I think it all just depends on your hands, and the horse. My other good horse runs in an o ring snaffle, so I'll try just about anything as long as there's a reason for it. 
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TurnLane
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Posted 2015-05-07 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: Barrel Bits recommended for more leverage/whoa/rate in a run



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astreakinchic - 2015-05-06 3:36 PM
k.maddocks24 - 2015-05-06 4:29 PM
TurnLane - 2015-05-06 12:04 PM
mruggles - 2015-05-06 11:55 AM More bit isn't always the answer...try riding him in a snaffle.......it may helpM
I agree. That is the quandry. I used to only ride o-ring or sidepulls. Or very short shanked bits. I am light handed although not quick to release one. So I moved up to liking the feel of more bit so I could do less work on rate and shape. Now I just have to improve releasing my horse on the backside sometimes.  
I was at a clinic a couple weeks ago, and an interesting point was raised. Not all the time, but in certain situations, riding in a snaffle the majority of the time can create a habit of heavy handedness and/or pulling for the rider. I hadn't ever thought about it in those terms, but it makes a lot of sense to me. I will go back to a snaffle for certain exercises, but knowing my horse and myself, I could very well train myself to be a puller if I used a snaffle all the time!
I think the point she was making originally is that if you lighten up on one bit wise sometimes they will do better, even though everything is telling you the complete opposite. I've seen one being ridden in 329 Combination Steel Nose from L&w often called the Alpo bit or the bit of shame, but we've hung a large smooth o-ring on them and sometimes they will turn the tops outta them.

I agree. I was just saying how it is so strange how the oppisite can be true. There are no absolutes, that is what keeps our sport interesting, IMO> 
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WyodivaSS
Reg. Apr 2011
Posted 2015-05-07 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: Merrill Bits/others for more leverage and whoa



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barrel_racing_angel - 2015-05-06 3:56 PM

WyodivaSS - 2015-05-05 9:40 PM Thanks, I think I am going to try one of the Ed Wright Bits...I have the Cervi bit in a short shank and its not quite enough. Haven't tried the Merrill's but have gotten some feed back on Facebook.

 If you and he like the short shank SC bit, why don't you try the long shank Sherry Cervi? Once of my good horses runs in that bit with the twisted wire dog bone mouthpiece. Works great for us. I do have light hands in a run, its a lot of bit. 

I think it all just depends on your hands, and the horse. My other good horse runs in an o ring snaffle, so I'll try just about anything as long as there's a reason for it. 

Yes, I'm going to try the Long shank twisted wire. I think since he likes the reg twisted wire short shank...the long shank with provide us with enough leverage.
I also would like to try this one...
MOLLY POWELL "SMOOTH RUN" - 7/16" TWISTED SWEET IRON SNAFFLE.
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WyodivaSS
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Posted 2015-05-08 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: Barrel Bits recommended for more leverage/whoa/rate in a run



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trulyaroyaljem13 - 2015-05-06 10:57 AM

Go take a look at the Fred Hunter bits. They are on www.thetackstop.com
He has 5 bits in his collection. I like the "Show to Win" bit. Every horse i have put it on loves it. :)

Didn't get to try him in the "Show to Win" bit yet, but I do have it. I did look at the other bits and see the Fuzz Bit with twisted wire is what I think I would try...he likes the twisted wire short shank gag bit Im using now and I think the longer shank will give us just what we need. Debating between The Fred Hunter one or the Sherri Cervi.
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KatieMac88
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2015-05-08 7:34 AM
Subject: RE: Barrel Bits recommended for more leverage/whoa/rate in a run



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I went to a Molly Powell clinic recently and she put my horse in a long shank solid run bit (the chain mouth). He is super respectful of it. I've got plenty of bend, lift, and whoa and I can use light hands. Before that I had tried a short shank dog bone Cervi (I had to pull more in a run than I like) and an L&W combo bit with a tie down. Now I'm just using the solid run bit with no tie down and he's running much smoother. 
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Blondes Are Wild
Reg. Sep 2009
Posted 2015-05-08 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Barrel Bits recommended for more leverage/whoa/rate in a run



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Have you talked to Whitney about what to use on him? Call her and see what she has to say before spending the money on a bit that you aren't sure is going to work or not.
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WyodivaSS
Reg. Apr 2011
Posted 2015-05-08 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: Barrel Bits recommended for more leverage/whoa/rate in a run



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WyodivaSS - 2015-05-08 6:34 AM

trulyaroyaljem13 - 2015-05-06 10:57 AM

Go take a look at the Fred Hunter bits. They are on www.thetackstop.com
He has 5 bits in his collection. I like the "Show to Win" bit. Every horse i have put it on loves it. :)

Didn't get to try him in the "Show to Win" bit yet, but I do have it. I did look at the other bits and see the Fuzz Bit with twisted wire is what I think I would try...he likes the twisted wire short shank gag bit Im using now and I think the longer shank will give us just what we need. Debating between The Fred Hunter one or the Sherri Cervi.

Yes, I finally did call her. We got it figured out and I'm going to try a combination bit with the chain mouthpiece and a bonnet with possibly using a tiedown. He's been working great, I just need a little bit more whoa and Control at the barrel turn. Especially at first barrel. I'll still a learning experience when running a five-year-old. Especially for me. Lol.
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