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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 10:55 AM NJJ - 2014-02-27 9:33 AM Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 9:35 AM we need everyone arriving on time so we can start on time. This is a "fail" for me....if you are waiting on entries, I would pack up and go home....you NEED to start on time. Just once, if the late arrivals (and it is "usually" the same ones) don't get to run, they will show up ON TIME...... Oki guess I wrote that wrong- I was not referring to those running in the race I was referring tothose helping put on the race that have change for ppl entering and the entry forms.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Are you doing this using a computer or by hand? Either way when people enter if your lowest number drawn is 7 for instance than it jumps to 10 then you need to post and announce those as 1 & 2. I can see why people would be frustrated. If you started out having more people come and then it started tapering off then you need to call the missing people up and ask if there is something you can do to get them back. Ask where you messed up and then correct it. People might give you a 2nd chance but they won't give you a 3rd. |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-02-27 10:32 AM Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 9:35 AM KV Farm - 2014-02-27 7:51 AM Since you asked and I am pretty sure this is the jack pot I wont go to locally these are my reasons: You provide draw numbers and then when the race begins you call the draw numbers as they were drawn for instance 2 7 14 29 we don't know how many people are there and so to be ready for our run if I am 29 ( but really number 6 because of all the holes) it it tooo frustrating. You should re-assign the draw in a sequential logical format filling holes and call the real draw out much before the start of the race. The event seems very un organized and the warm up area last I was there is not reasonable for more than 10 riders to warm up - especially during the race as there are riders running out of the pin into everyone warming up. Parking can be bad if there are more than 40 or 50 people ( you once had a BBR event I planned on attending but one of your girls posted on FB " we are expecting 100+ runners " and so I did not come because I knew parking would be a disaster. I later looked and you had about 40 runners.... so don't post your expectations as it will run some people off. this being said - EVERYONE putting on the race are the nicest and most helpful people around so it would be great if you fixed the kinks because I would come every friday nite. I think uh ace the right race! Lol We now do have about 20-30 acres of extra parking as needed. And the warm up pen was made larger in November but we really cannot relocate warm up pen because them we won't have any parking. Would it be better to do draw # as people get there (like you signed up first so you are number 1 ) OR MAYBE print and post running order 15-20 mins before the race and announce it? I will tell our facebooker no more posting expectations of any sort. I spend my whole Friday prepping the ground- usually alone but we need everyone arriving on time so we can start on time.
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!! - That is MY biggest pet peeve about jackpots - START IT ON TIME! - If you KEEP letting late arrivers enter, they will ALWAYS be late because they know they can still enter. |
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Location: Louisiana | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-27 11:05 AM Are you doing this using a computer or by hand? Either way when people enter if your lowest number drawn is 7 for instance than it jumps to 10 then you need to post and announce those as 1 & 2. I can see why people would be frustrated. If you started out having more people come and then it started tapering off then you need to call the missing people up and ask if there is something you can do to get them back. Ask where you messed up and then correct it. People might give you a 2nd chance but they won't give you a 3rd.
THIS^^^
I run to be competitive but also to have fun. I cannot have fun if I'm stressed out wondering wth is going on.
Is there a reason the others helping out can't be there on time? Work, school, etc? If not, I'd have a sit down meeting with everyone present to let them know they just may be the reason people aren't coming back.
I always arrive to barrel races/rodeos well before the books close (the ONLY thing I'm ever early for) and I expect the producers to be there and ready. If they aren't there before me, it's just not going to start on time.
We have a Tuesday night jackpot around here that is run fast enough people know they can bring their kids and not be midnight getting home. They don't have huge turnouts but there are some that are there every single week, and those like me who know it's there and go when I need to get a run in before the weekend. A plus of it being on Tuesday is my horse has had a couple days of if I ran the weekend prior, and has a few days off before the weekend.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-27 10:58 AM Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 10:55 AM NJJ - 2014-02-27 9:33 AM Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 9:35 AM we need everyone arriving on time so we can start on time. This is a "fail" for me....if you are waiting on entries, I would pack up and go home....you NEED to start on time. Just once, if the late arrivals (and it is "usually" the same ones) don't get to run, they will show up ON TIME...... Oki guess I wrote that wrong- I was not referring to those running in the race I was referring tothose helping put on the race that have change for ppl entering and the entry forms.
THAT is even a BIGGER "fail" for me....tells me that you (or they) have no interest in putting on a "good" barrel race for their competitors.....I think until you get all your "ducks in a row", you had better QUIT having barrel races....nothing sours "future" contestants more than a BAD reputation! |
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Location: Ft Worth TX | NJJ - 2014-02-27 10:49 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-27 10:58 AM Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 10:55 AM NJJ - 2014-02-27 9:33 AM Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 9:35 AMÂ we need everyone arriving on time so we can start on time. Â This is a "fail" for me....if you are waiting on entries, I would pack up and go home....you NEED to start on time. Just once, if the late arrivals (and it is "usually" the same ones)Â don't get to run, they will show up ON TIME...... Oki guess I wrote that wrong- I was not referring to those running in the race I was referring tothose helping put on the race that have change for ppl entering and the entry forms.
yES THE OFFICE HELP... As I stated before I am there ALL DAY getting it ready. We have reassigned who holds the money for the event to someone who gets there on time but some of our other office help thinks they are the exception. Its a church barrel race so being mean is not an option. Have been praying a lot lately on how to resolve these issues and have made a list to present this weekend to some to better it some things I am going to push through for change TMRW before the meeting and do all I can on my own to make it better
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | I haven't been up there but I can tell you my two peeves at a barrel race: letting exhibitions run late so you don't start on time, and numbers not being called out.
I don't know who is running before me and quite frankly I don't care. I am listening for NUMBERS. That tells me when I need to get on my horse, when we need to start getting serious, when I need to get closer to the warm up pen, etc. If you just call out names I am all sorts of thrown off. I don't know if you do that but the numbers deal above is also what I am talking about.
And I know exhibitions make money. But IMO the last half hour should be a risk barrel racers take. If you need an exhibition that close to start time and you sign up for that last half hour and dont get your exhbition in because time ran out, your fault. Don't punish others by not starting on time because of the late exhibitioners. That will drive me crazy.
Also, get a fairly fast tractor driver who only drags where we are running and not the entire arena. On the weekendss I will tolerate a somewhat slow tractor driver but during the week-even on a friday night-I am tired and I want to get in, get out and go home. Most days if I get an early draw I won't even wait to hear results. lol
Anyways, I hope these help. Good luck!! |
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Dr. Ruth
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 11:58 AM NJJ - 2014-02-27 10:49 AM Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-27 10:58 AM Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 10:55 AM NJJ - 2014-02-27 9:33 AM Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 9:35 AM we need everyone arriving on time so we can start on time. This is a "fail" for me....if you are waiting on entries, I would pack up and go home....you NEED to start on time. Just once, if the late arrivals (and it is "usually" the same ones) don't get to run, they will show up ON TIME...... Oki guess I wrote that wrong- I was not referring to those running in the race I was referring tothose helping put on the race that have change for ppl entering and the entry forms. yES THE OFFICE HELP... As I stated before I am there ALL DAY getting it ready. We have reassigned who holds the money for the event to someone who gets there on time but some of our other office help thinks they are the exception. Its a church barrel race so being mean is not an option. Have been praying a lot lately on how to resolve these issues and have made a list to present this weekend to some to better it some things I am going to push through for change TMRW before the meeting and do all I can on my own to make it better
lol-this to me is funny. I run (or used to-I am not sure I will this year) a playday for our church that gets a minimum of 50 riders to every one. I know exactly who is going to show up. And if someone would ever decide they felt they were an exception and wouldn't show up on time, I am not going to be an overly nice person. I can be very blunt and I will tell them WHY it is important to be on time. Just because it is a church function doesn't mean you can't be honest and tell them why they are dragging the race down.
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| Whoop Z Day Z - 2014-02-27 9:35 AM
KV Farm - 2014-02-27 7:51 AM
Since you asked and I am pretty sure this is the jack pot I wont go to locally these are my reasons:
You provide draw numbers and then when the race begins you call the draw numbers as they were drawn for instance
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we don't know how many people are there and so to be ready for our run if I am 29 ( but really number 6 because of all the holes) it it tooo frustrating. You should re-assign the draw in a sequential logical format filling holes and call the real draw out much before the start of the race. The event seems very un organized and the warm up area last I was there is not reasonable for more than 10 riders to warm up - especially during the race as there are riders running out of the pin into everyone warming up.
Parking can be bad if there are more than 40 or 50 people ( you once had a BBR event I planned on attending but one of your girls posted on FB " we are expecting 100+ runners " and so I did not come because I knew parking would be a disaster. I later looked and you had about 40 runners.... so don't post your expectations as it will run some people off.
this being said - EVERYONE putting on the race are the nicest and most helpful people around so it would be great if you fixed the kinks because I would come every friday nite.
I think uh ace the right race! Lol
We now do have about 20-30 acres of extra parking as needed. And the warm up pen was made larger in November but we really cannot relocate warm up pen because them we won't have any parking. Would it be better to do draw # as people get there (like you signed up first so you are number 1 ) OR MAYBE print and post running order 15-20 mins before the race and announce it? I will tell our facebooker no more posting expectations of any sort.
I spend my whole Friday prepping the ground- usually alone but we need everyone arriving on time so we can start on time.
Awesome news. See ..... I am glad ya'll are posting so that we are updated. I just have not been back in awhile. I will come check things out in a few weeks when my horse is back in shape from the winter.
As for the draws... you can do it a few ways of either only offering 1-10 until they are full and then 10-20 until that is full etc or do it like other local races and fill the holes with late comers etc. but something / some way that is consistent - printing a draw is nice as long as it is posted long enough before the race to get warmed up.... I know it is hard when you are starting out only have 20 or so.... and I understand when people come in with more than one horse and need to be drawn apart etc.... but any improvement is greatly appreciated.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | You can have entries open for the next barrel races while your having one. Who ever enters is placed on the list as they enter no need to draw. Have a schedule/ flyer at the race so everyone know the date and time, some will even be passed to friends. If you hit 50 runners you could have added money make that a stipulation, but only if that many show up. Everyone has a buckle. Headstalls, halters, blankets, bell boots. belts, caps, jackets are great prizes for a winter series. Have to show up for 3 shows to qualify for points or prizes. Teach your barrel racers to park side by side instead front to back and that will leave more parking. We are not ropers who park where the foot hits the brake. If your on Face Book allow racers to enter by messaging you or by leaving a comment like put me in open and 3 time onlys. No late fees, unless you need monies for prizes. |
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 Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | I have helped put on a weeknight summer series a couple years and you HAVE to start on time especially if you have a decent turnout. I hate going somewhere on a weeknight and getting home after midnight. Most places I travel to especially in the winter are close to 2 hours away so I have a lot of driving to do after it ends and I don't want to wait through 3 hours of exhibitions then run at 9:30 p.m. UGH.
Added money is the only way we can draw more than 30 people to our arena, and I think most of that is because of our location. The ground has been drastically improved in the last 4 years and we've heard that from barrel racers on facebook. We're changing our night of the week this year to see if Wednesdays are better with people's schedules than Tuesday. Might also do a Tuesday series in the late summer to accomodate both groups. We added Bonus Race Finals approval two years ago and that seemed to help the turnout, but that may not be a big draw in Texas. We've thought about BBR approval but can't get a good consensus on how many people would be lured by that.
I've seen places that do a weekly race and then every two months have one with added money and you have to have run at 2 or 3 of the others to run for the added money. (Seems like that would have to be done as a sidepot) Another place does a series all winter long and you have to go to 8 or something like that to run at their finals where they give pretty nice prizes (CSI pad was a prize one year I believe). Those always draw good turnouts. |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| sassy&tessa - 2014-02-27 11:59 AM I haven't been up there but I can tell you my two peeves at a barrel race: letting exhibitions run late so you don't start on time, and numbers not being called out.
I don't know who is running before me and quite frankly I don't care. I am listening for NUMBERS. That tells me when I need to get on my horse, when we need to start getting serious, when I need to get closer to the warm up pen, etc. If you just call out names I am all sorts of thrown off. I don't know if you do that but the numbers deal above is also what I am talking about.
And I know exhibitions make money. But IMO the last half hour should be a risk barrel racers take. If you need an exhibition that close to start time and you sign up for that last half hour and dont get your exhbition in because time ran out, your fault. Don't punish others by not starting on time because of the late exhibitioners. That will drive me crazy.
Also, get a fairly fast tractor driver who only drags where we are running and not the entire arena. On the weekendss I will tolerate a somewhat slow tractor driver but during the week-even on a friday night-I am tired and I want to get in, get out and go home. Most days if I get an early draw I won't even wait to hear results. lol
Anyways, I hope these help. Good luck!!
I almost NEVER wait for the results - I get up VERY early for work - I figure if I won a check, I'll pick it up the next week! |
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| sassy&tessa - 2014-02-27 11:59 AM
I haven't been up there but I can tell you my two peeves at a barrel race: Â letting exhibitions run late so you don't start on time, and numbers not being called out.
I don't know who is running before me and quite frankly I don't care. Â I am listening for NUMBERS. That tells me when I need to get on my horse, when we need to start getting serious, when I need to get closer to the warm up pen, etc. Â If you just call out names I am all sorts of thrown off. Â I don't know if you do that but the numbers deal above is also what I am talking about.
And I know exhibitions make money. Â But IMO the last half hour should be a risk barrel racers take. Â If you need an exhibition that close to start time and you sign up for that last half hour and dont get your exhbition in because time ran out, your fault. Â Don't punish others by not starting on time because of the late exhibitioners. Â That will drive me crazy.
Also, get a fairly fast tractor driver who only drags where we are running and not the entire arena. Â On the weekendss I will tolerate a somewhat slow tractor driver but during the week-even on a friday night-I am tired and I want to get in, get out and go home. Â Most days if I get an early draw I won't even wait to hear results. lol
Anyways, I hope these help. Â Good luck!!Â
I am not from TX, but your 2 pet peeves are also two big pet peeves of mine! Up here in Ohio on a Friday night when the show was supposed to start at 7:00 pm it didn't start until 9:30 pm because of all the extra exhibitions they let in!! (I like the 60 sec limit) The peewee kids didn't get to run until midnight!! And I also HATE when they will not post a draw until the last minute!!
IT also can be annoying to have to pay a tie-out fee, an office fee and a timer fee...one reasonable grounds fee would be nice. |
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