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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-10-14 12:17 PM Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-14 11:44 AM CanCan - 2014-10-13 6:47 PM I wondered if I was just old school and behind the times. The vet at the races I go to in Tx, Ar, and OK stays busy. He makes thousands a day injecting and chiropracting. Sometimes he has a line of horses 6 or 7 deep. He doesn't have a home clinic but a huge following at races. I. Just. Don't. Know. Edited to add: This thread is not a vet-bashing thread. I just question the knowledge base of the girls that use him. I spent some days close to his work area once and never saw any "big name" or "well-known" racers in his line. Just makes me go hmmmmm... I know who you're talking about and will not use him.
I'm not trying to open a can of worms... but may I ask why? Please feel free to PM. I'm not trying to start bashing anyone, just curious as to why the negative experiences. I've never used him, but have wondered if he really is that great to have as many people lined up as he always does. |
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Location: Arkansas | I was told he also makes farm calls to the big name riders barns while he is out traveling and that is why you don't see them standing in line to see him at the show. They have enough horses in their barns to make it worth his while to go to them, while most of us only have the one or two hobby horses. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Many years ago, (about 25) we were at cutting horse trainer Bobby Nelson's place when Graham Boyd, the father of Horse Chiropractic, was working on his horses. A woman from Washington had sent a great horse down for Graham to work on that had been lame for over a year. After treatment, that horse walked out of the stall sound. I had never seen anything quite like that. In the end, I ended up buying that horse and we showed him sound until his mid twentys. Over the years I had Graham and later his son, work on a horse of mine from time to time. We always gave them at least a few days off for the adjustment to settle in.
No on joint injections outside of a clinic environment.
Edited by winwillows 2014-10-14 1:16 PM
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Location: Lala Land | I would only have my vet that knows my horse inject, and I don't think I would chiro at a barrel race unless I knew the chiro was very reputable and only after I was finished for the weekend. |
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  Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | Longneck - 2014-10-14 12:26 PM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-10-14 12:17 PM Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-14 11:44 AM CanCan - 2014-10-13 6:47 PM I wondered if I was just old school and behind the times. The vet at the races I go to in Tx, Ar, and OK stays busy. He makes thousands a day injecting and chiropracting. Sometimes he has a line of horses 6 or 7 deep. He doesn't have a home clinic but a huge following at races. I. Just. Don't. Know. Edited to add: This thread is not a vet-bashing thread. I just question the knowledge base of the girls that use him. I spent some days close to his work area once and never saw any "big name" or "well-known" racers in his line. Just makes me go hmmmmm... I know who you're talking about and will not use him.
WHOA, NELLIE!!! I am NOT talking about a vet or chiro. I'm talking about the racers that use them. Those that go against the industry standards to inject or adjust and run in the same day or the next day are the ones that interest me. I totally understand the motivation of the vet/chiro. I just want to understand the motivation of the racer that chooses this option. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | CanCan - 2014-10-14 1:49 PM Longneck - 2014-10-14 12:26 PM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-10-14 12:17 PM Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-14 11:44 AM CanCan - 2014-10-13 6:47 PM I wondered if I was just old school and behind the times. The vet at the races I go to in Tx, Ar, and OK stays busy. He makes thousands a day injecting and chiropracting. Sometimes he has a line of horses 6 or 7 deep. He doesn't have a home clinic but a huge following at races. I. Just. Don't. Know. Edited to add: This thread is not a vet-bashing thread. I just question the knowledge base of the girls that use him. I spent some days close to his work area once and never saw any "big name" or "well-known" racers in his line. Just makes me go hmmmmm... I know who you're talking about and will not use him.
People are being led to believe, if not told outright, that this is ok. So yeah, it IS about the practitioner as well as the horse owner. |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | CanCan - 2014-10-14 1:49 PM Longneck - 2014-10-14 12:26 PM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-10-14 12:17 PM Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-14 11:44 AM CanCan - 2014-10-13 6:47 PM I wondered if I was just old school and behind the times. The vet at the races I go to in Tx, Ar, and OK stays busy. He makes thousands a day injecting and chiropracting. Sometimes he has a line of horses 6 or 7 deep. He doesn't have a home clinic but a huge following at races. I. Just. Don't. Know. Edited to add: This thread is not a vet-bashing thread. I just question the knowledge base of the girls that use him. I spent some days close to his work area once and never saw any "big name" or "well-known" racers in his line. Just makes me go hmmmmm... I know who you're talking about and will not use him.
I'm just assuming that they believe the chiro/injections must be better to do them and then run versus not taking the time to haul to a vet at another time. I don't agree with it, but maybe the owners don't know otherwise. I had my horse's stifle injected in mid July and the vet told me stay off him for 3-4 days and then resume work as normal. That was a performance vet. I had a close friend get stifles injected by a non performance horse vet and he told her to resume work as normal without time off. She tried to argue with me that it was crazy to take time off. 
I know that I have taken my horse to a vet when I'm at a race, but the only injection he got were IM (Ichon/Adequan) and I believe that those are most effective within a few hours... but they weren't given directly in the joint.
If I feel as if something is wrong and there is a vet right there on location I will inquire as to what he/she might believe is wrong. I wouldn't inject or adjust unless it was inevasive.
I realize you aren't trying to slander a vet; my intent wasn't to do that either. I was just curious as to why some people avoid him all together. Assuming it is for more reason than just not wanting to inject/adjust at a race and then run again in within 24 hours.
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Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Longneck - 2014-10-14 2:24 PM CanCan - 2014-10-14 1:49 PM Longneck - 2014-10-14 12:26 PM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-10-14 12:17 PM Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-14 11:44 AM CanCan - 2014-10-13 6:47 PM I wondered if I was just old school and behind the times. The vet at the races I go to in Tx, Ar, and OK stays busy. He makes thousands a day injecting and chiropracting. Sometimes he has a line of horses 6 or 7 deep. He doesn't have a home clinic but a huge following at races. I. Just. Don't. Know. Edited to add: This thread is not a vet-bashing thread. I just question the knowledge base of the girls that use him. I spent some days close to his work area once and never saw any "big name" or "well-known" racers in his line. Just makes me go hmmmmm... I know who you're talking about and will not use him.
If I feel as if something is wrong and there is a vet right there on location I will inquire as to what he/she might believe is wrong. I wouldn't inject or adjust unless it was inevasive.
I realize you aren't trying to slander a vet; my intent wasn't to do that either. I was just curious as to why some people avoid him all together. Assuming it is for more reason than just not wanting to inject/adjust at a race and then run again in within 24 hours.
People stand in line and horses are run through like cattle with minimal evaluation. I'm not saying he's bad at WHAT HE DOES, but I'm not going to use someone who thinks those practices are ok. |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-14 2:42 PM Longneck - 2014-10-14 2:24 PM CanCan - 2014-10-14 1:49 PM Longneck - 2014-10-14 12:26 PM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-10-14 12:17 PM Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-14 11:44 AM CanCan - 2014-10-13 6:47 PM I wondered if I was just old school and behind the times. The vet at the races I go to in Tx, Ar, and OK stays busy. He makes thousands a day injecting and chiropracting. Sometimes he has a line of horses 6 or 7 deep. He doesn't have a home clinic but a huge following at races. I. Just. Don't. Know. Edited to add: This thread is not a vet-bashing thread. I just question the knowledge base of the girls that use him. I spent some days close to his work area once and never saw any "big name" or "well-known" racers in his line. Just makes me go hmmmmm... I know who you're talking about and will not use him.
If I feel as if something is wrong and there is a vet right there on location I will inquire as to what he/she might believe is wrong. I wouldn't inject or adjust unless it was inevasive.
I realize you aren't trying to slander a vet; my intent wasn't to do that either. I was just curious as to why some people avoid him all together. Assuming it is for more reason than just not wanting to inject/adjust at a race and then run again in within 24 hours.
Thanks for the reply!! |
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Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | Thanks for the input. This is what I wanted. Dialogue. I wish someone who used these services would chime in and give us his or her reasons. Even the chiro could lead to harm if a major adjustment is made that strains the ligaments and puts the entire joint in an unstable position that needs time to calm from assymetrical inflammation at the site. Right or wrong?
Edited by CanCan 2014-10-14 7:54 PM
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| When I do injections I give more like 2 weeks off...it's a mental thing for me. I'm slightly needlephobic so I REALLY like to know they "set" in. Chiros are different. I did go to a show and had one horse done. He was a little out of whack and I went after my runs. I felt like it did make him feel better but it was a one time thing. When I do it normally I let them have a couple days off. I got done once and had felt wonderful that day. woke up with a crick in my neck only to have it go away in 2 days and I think I felt better than before. The ones getting it done at shows are in it for convenience and desperation more so maybe. The big names Probably have already lined their ducks in a row before they got there. That's why they have big names ;) |
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| I can tell you for me... I just recently went to the chiro myself. I definetely agree to a day or two off and I wouldnt ever run the same day as a chiro visit. Now I know what it feels like, it helped in the long run but I was sore, stiff and just didnt feel great the day of my appt and sometimes the day after. |
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| WHen I had mine done at the show he wasn't bad out. It was a minor adjustment and he got a massage with it. I don't think I would do it again because I worried about it at the time. He didn't seem to have any issues from doing it at the show though but now that I've had it done more I'm not comfortable doing it at a show and working one. |
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