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Location: Willows, CA | If you think you have one that has a lot of potential and you don't have a lot of experience, you should send her out. I would not watch a video and then head to the round pen with her. If you can take her to someone who can help you move her forward that is great. But, most people don't have access to someone close enough that is interested in doing that for you beyond just a few days of help. Remember, every minute you spend with them you are teaching them something, either good or bad. | |
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| Well regardless I see horses that perform despite their riders every weekend at shows.
I used to worry so much about ruining a horse, until finally my trainer told me to stop worrying and told me how you can't ruin a good horse. So I am simply sharing my experiences and what I have learned. Should you choose to go the route yourself OP as long as you have patience, an open mind, and continue to educate yourself you will be fine. ;-) Gaining feel and timing doesn't just come from watching others, it comes from experience and putting yourself out there.
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Location: texas | Clinton Anderson Says:
"Don't let fear hold you back"
"if you haven't wrecked a couple of horses, then you haven't tried hard enough"
"what I mean is, when you are first learning, you sometimes, try so hard to succeed you might over train a horse and push limits too far"
"the first horse you train using THE METHOD, is like the sacrificial lamb, your going to make mistakes, EXPECT IT, learn from it" | |
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Location: The edge of no where | teamthompson - 2015-11-02 1:45 PM Clinton Anderson Says: "Don't let fear hold you back" "if you haven't wrecked a couple of horses, then you haven't tried hard enough" "what I mean is, when you are first learning, you sometimes, try so hard to succeed you might over train a horse and push limits too far" "the first horse you train using THE METHOD, is like the sacrificial lamb, your going to make mistakes, EXPECT IT, learn from it" He's not very high up there on my list of people I'd like to have start my colts......those sayins will move him further down the list.
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| Send it out, so when you two aren't performing worth a crap you have someone to blame...
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't have a problem starting them out under saddle, but I've seen the difference between what I can accomplish in say 6 months, versus 60 days with a very good trainer. If I had a very nice, well bred prospect, and I want to get the best possible results from them, then I'm going to invest the money in 2-3-4 months training with a TRAINER (not necessarily a barrel racer), so I can get a very good foundation and handle. I think having a horse that is dead broke and has been really taught to use himself and having that done by a real pro is priceless. At the end of this, I think it's also worthwhile to ride the youngster under the trainers tutelage. There are a number of people I know who I think would fit the bill, but I just think it's one of the rare things of value that is worthwhile nowadays....priceless.
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Location: Georgia | Itsme - 2015-11-02 6:37 PM Send it out, so when you two aren't performing worth a crap you have someone to blame...
While I don't see that being our future, I honestly would rather say that I was the reason she was performing poorly versus sending her off somewhere and realizing it was a mistake. That would be very disappointing. If I do send her off, it's going to be a very good reputable trainer. So I will have no one to blame but myself in the seasoning process. Let's hope that isn't the case though.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Itsme - 2015-11-02 5:37 PM
Send it out, so when you two aren't performing worth a crap you have someone to blame...
I don't know if you realize this but some of us who send our horses off are mature enough to know when to blame ourselves and not the trainer if the horse is not performing. I know I do not ride my filly as well as my trainer. But she is not the only one 'in training.' I always ride with my trainer on pickup. I take lessons too so I can improve. We are also willing to look into pain issues if that is the reason they are not performing.
I teach English classes and direct a writing center. I cannot tell you how many students refuse to seek help from a tutor at the writing center, even though the help is free and the difference in grades is often an entire letter grade or more, because of the perception that only stupid students need tutoring. Actually most A and B students seek help. They are smart enough to recognize the importance of getting some help. They are not so full of pride that they will cut off their nose to spite their face and refuse to get help. Most of the best trainers and riders got help from other experts too. The horse community is just that, a community. No doubt there are crap trainers. I've had experience with that. I've also had experience bringing one on myself. In high school I did make state finals. My horse and I had some limitations but we also accomplished some great things. Just making two different associations finals was very rewarding. I've also had the recent experience of having the help of an excellent, honest, accomplished trainer. My god, I wished I had had this help in high school. I would be so much farther along. Quit making assumptions and generalizing about those who get help. They are smart enough to seek it and many are **** sure smart enough to own up to their own faults too. Which is why they got help in the first place. | |
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| oija - 2015-11-02 7:36 PM
Itsme - 2015-11-02 5:37 PM
Send it out, so when you two aren't performing worth a crap you have someone to blame...
I don't know if you realize this but some of us who send our horses off are mature enough to know when to blame ourselves and not the trainer if the horse is not performing. I know I do not ride my filly as well as my trainer. But she is not the only one 'in training.' I always ride with my trainer on pickup. I take lessons too so I can improve. We are also willing to look into pain issues if that is the reason they are not performing.
I teach English classes and direct a writing center. I cannot tell you how many students refuse to seek help from a tutor at the writing center, even though the help is free and the difference in grades is often an entire letter grade or more, because of the perception that only stupid students need tutoring. Actually most A and B students seek help. They are smart enough to recognize the importance of getting some help. They are not so full of pride that they will cut off their nose to spite their face and refuse to get help. Most of the best trainers and riders got help from other experts too. The horse community is just that, a community. No doubt there are crap trainers. I've had experience with that. I've also had experience bringing one on myself. In high school I did make state finals. My horse and I had some limitations but we also accomplished some great things. Just making two different associations finals was very rewarding. I've also had the recent experience of having the help of an excellent, honest, accomplished trainer. My god, I wished I had had this help in high school. I would be so much farther along. Quit making assumptions and generalizing about those who get help. They are smart enough to seek it and many are **** sure smart enough to own up to their own faults too. Which is why they got help in the first place.
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| Well congratulations on having such a nice prospect! No matter the path you choose it will be an exciting journey. :)
Regardless of all our opinions each of us knows the feeling of excitement of all the possibilities with our horses. That feeling alone is something to enjoy and celebrate. | |
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| MS2011 - 2015-11-02 4:03 PM
teamthompson - 2015-11-02 1:45 PM Clinton Anderson Says: "Don't let fear hold you back" "if you haven't wrecked a couple of horses, then you haven't tried hard enough" "what I mean is, when you are first learning, you sometimes, try so hard to succeed you might over train a horse and push limits too far" "the first horse you train using THE METHOD, is like the sacrificial lamb, your going to make mistakes, EXPECT IT, learn from it" He's not very high up there on my list of people I'd like to have start my colts......those sayins will move him further down the list.
Wow, I'd have to agree...the first colt I started had to put up with me learning on him, but he was totally NOT wrecked and was one of the best rope horses I've had.
Nothing like having someone you respect rope off a horse you trained and say "nice horse" when they hand them back to you. | |
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Location: texas | veintiocho - 2015-11-03 9:51 AM
MS2011 - 2015-11-02 4:03 PM
teamthompson - 2015-11-02 1:45 PM Clinton Anderson Says: "Don't let fear hold you back" "if you haven't wrecked a couple of horses, then you haven't tried hard enough" "what I mean is, when you are first learning, you sometimes, try so hard to succeed you might over train a horse and push limits too far" "the first horse you train using THE METHOD, is like the sacrificial lamb, your going to make mistakes, EXPECT IT, learn from it" He's not very high up there on my list of people I'd like to have start my colts......those sayins will move him further down the list.
Wow, I'd have to agree...the first colt I started had to put up with me learning on him, but he was totally NOT wrecked and was one of the best rope horses I've had.
Nothing like having someone you respect rope off a horse you trained and say "nice horse" when they hand them back to you.
veintiocho---- I agree too, congrats on ur accomplishment...
this CA saying applies to my mare, she is now 9yo and LORD knows I made my share of mistakes BUT guess what my kids can show her 4h in performance and speed classes, to me that says a lot......and they won their first performance buckle together, plus this mare is 6.5months pregnant and my kids are 8 and 5yo
most people aren't full time trainers, and u learn thru experience (some bad and some good), I say do it yourself and when the times comes if it does and u need help then go seek it..... good luck
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | I've sent several out now... I have trained myself but now I find it's just easier to do it this way. I will do ground work with them but send them for their first 30-60 days. I know life happens (for me) and I may put them on the back burner regretting it later so this is easier. I also got hurt once unexpectedly and with my income being the sole one now I can't afford to get hurt at this point in my life again if I can help it. I went through this decision process in the spring time with a filly I am super fond of; ended up sending one out and it was great for her and I.... She came back broke, calm and slick (knew more then I would have been able to teach in that amount of time); and I ended up pulling a lot of OT due to being short staffed... If I would have kept her I likely wouldn't have had the time. | |
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