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| scwebster - 2016-04-05 10:39 PM
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scwebster - 2016-04-05 2:46 PM I am pasting a post from Tuff Coopers Facebook. Interesting...
For the past 8 years I've been told what sponsors I'm allowed to wear and how many I'm allowed to have on my performance shirts. I've seen sponsor want to put their patches on contestants and pay them good money that would help their careers greatly but only to find out their patches were not allowed in the arena. That makes it very hard on contestants that need sponsorships to get down the road. I was fined $2,500 at the past NFR for wearing a shirt with Panhandle on it, to... a signing that was not on the rodeo grounds. It's great to now be part of an organization that doesn't try to control and keep the contestants from having much needed sponsors. The ERA is open to all sponsors and knows how important they are to the athlete's careers. I wouldn't be able to get up and down the road without all my sponsor support. So awesome to see Panhandle on the ERA bucking chutes. Thanks ERA and thank you to all my sponsors for sticking with me. -Tuff Cooper
If it is so horrible then PLEASE stop attending the WNFR and any PRCA event. Â  Â Â Â
You do mean Tuff?
 Yep, Tuf. Not you....sorry..... :) | |
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Location: In my own little world | Whiteboy - 2016-04-05 2:58 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-05 3:04 PM scwebster - 2016-04-05 3:59 PM MS2011 - 2016-04-05 2:54 PM scwebster - 2016-04-05 2:46 PM I am pasting a post from Tuff Coopers Facebook. I had no idea the PRCA had rules against certain patches/sponsors. Interesting...
For the past 8 years I've been told what sponsors I'm allowed to wear and how many I'm allowed to have on my performance shirts. I've seen sponsor want to put their patches on contestants and pay them good money that would help their careers greatly but only to find out their patches were not allowed in the arena. That makes it very hard on contestants that need sponsorships to get down the road. I was fined $2,500 at the past NFR for wearing a shirt with Panhandle on it, to... a signing that was not on the rodeo grounds. It's great to now be part of an organization that doesn't try to control and keep the contestants from having much needed sponsors. The ERA is open to all sponsors and knows how important they are to the athlete's careers. I wouldn't be able to get up and down the road without all my sponsor support. So awesome to see Panhandle on the ERA bucking chutes. Thanks ERA and thank you to all my sponsors for sticking with me. -Tuff Cooper I know some people have said that contestants look ridiculous as walking billboards with all their patches - BUT look at it from the contestant's view.....each patch signifies someone that is helping them get down the road. It might just be product or it might be money.......it helps pay the bills. I don't know the patch rules - but I do know the PRCA/WPRA have them.
If it was such a pathetic sponsorship, then why did they enter into a contract with them if "all they get is 6 pr of pants"? It must have been worth it to them or why would they do it? Was someone holding their hand to the pen and dotted line forcing them to sign their name? I guess they propably better get a contract signed by grandma next year rather than Wrangler! | |
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| Whiteboy - 2016-04-05 2:58 PM
1DSoon - 2016-04-05 3:04 PM scwebster - 2016-04-05 3:59 PM MS2011 - 2016-04-05 2:54 PM scwebster - 2016-04-05 2:46 PM I am pasting a post from Tuff Coopers Facebook. I had no idea the PRCA had rules against certain patches/sponsors. Interesting...
For the past 8 years I've been told what sponsors I'm allowed to wear and how many I'm allowed to have on my performance shirts. I've seen sponsor want to put their patches on contestants and pay them good money that would help their careers greatly but only to find out their patches were not allowed in the arena. That makes it very hard on contestants that need sponsorships to get down the road. I was fined $2,500 at the past NFR for wearing a shirt with Panhandle on it, to... a signing that was not on the rodeo grounds. It's great to now be part of an organization that doesn't try to control and keep the contestants from having much needed sponsors. The ERA is open to all sponsors and knows how important they are to the athlete's careers. I wouldn't be able to get up and down the road without all my sponsor support. So awesome to see Panhandle on the ERA bucking chutes. Thanks ERA and thank you to all my sponsors for sticking with me. -Tuff Cooper I know some people have said that contestants look ridiculous as walking billboards with all their patches - BUT look at it from the contestant's view.....each patch signifies someone that is helping them get down the road.  It might just be product or it might be money.......it helps pay the bills.  I don't know the patch rules - but I do know the PRCA/WPRA have them.  Â
Yeah...let's overlook the fact that Wrangler donates all they do to the NFR and the rodeo world in general...they really suck because these two people only get 6 pairs of jeans. That's just so unfair. I'm pretty sure there are a ton of people out there that would be more than thrilled by having those 6 pairs of jeans and sponsorship. Every sponsorship is a GIFT and no matter how small should be appreciated. To say a sponsorship sucks shows a complete lack of class. The sponsors don't HAVE to give anything. | |
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| TyE - 2016-04-05 11:06 PM scwebster - 2016-04-05 10:39 PM TyE - 2016-04-05 7:05 PM scwebster - 2016-04-05 2:46 PM I am pasting a post from Tuff Coopers Facebook. Interesting...
For the past 8 years I've been told what sponsors I'm allowed to wear and how many I'm allowed to have on my performance shirts. I've seen sponsor want to put their patches on contestants and pay them good money that would help their careers greatly but only to find out their patches were not allowed in the arena. That makes it very hard on contestants that need sponsorships to get down the road. I was fined $2,500 at the past NFR for wearing a shirt with Panhandle on it, to... a signing that was not on the rodeo grounds. It's great to now be part of an organization that doesn't try to control and keep the contestants from having much needed sponsors. The ERA is open to all sponsors and knows how important they are to the athlete's careers. I wouldn't be able to get up and down the road without all my sponsor support. So awesome to see Panhandle on the ERA bucking chutes. Thanks ERA and thank you to all my sponsors for sticking with me. -Tuff Cooper If it is so horrible then PLEASE stop attending the WNFR and any PRCA event.
You do mean Tuff? Yep, Tuf. Not you....sorry..... : )
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Location: who knows? | From a sponsorship/revenue type of perspective, I think its stupid to only let certain patches sponsorships be showcased. Why not open it up and get more money for the contestants and possible more companies willing to put up big bucks? This is like stepping over a dime to pick up a nickle. Sounds like someone is double dipping to benefit themselves.
For instance. I had a barrel club president (not big scale but for this club it was) walk away from $1800 sponsorship because she could not have complete control over my sponsor. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | nvrenuf - 2016-04-06 1:01 PM From a sponsorship/revenue type of perspective, I think its stupid to only let certain patches sponsorships be showcased. Why not open it up and get more money for the contestants and possible more companies willing to put up big bucks? This is like stepping over a dime to pick up a nickle. Sounds like someone is double dipping to benefit themselves.
For instance. I had a barrel club president (not big scale but for this club it was) walk away from $1800 sponsorship because she could not have complete control over my sponsor.
That's awesome that you had a sponsor.
I hope to be good enough someday to be sponsored.
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| scwebster - 2016-04-05 2:46 PM I am pasting a post from Tuff Coopers Facebook. Interesting...
For the past 8 years I've been told what sponsors I'm allowed to wear and how many I'm allowed to have on my performance shirts. I've seen sponsor want to put their patches on contestants and pay them good money that would help their careers greatly but only to find out their patches were not allowed in the arena. That makes it very hard on contestants that need sponsorships to get down the road. I was fined $2,500 at the past NFR for wearing a shirt with Panhandle on it, to... a signing that was not on the rodeo grounds. It's great to now be part of an organization that doesn't try to control and keep the contestants from having much needed sponsors. The ERA is open to all sponsors and knows how important they are to the athlete's careers. I wouldn't be able to get up and down the road without all my sponsor support. So awesome to see Panhandle on the ERA bucking chutes. Thanks ERA and thank you to all my sponsors for sticking with me. -Tuff Cooper
I'm glad he found a place in the ERA where he doesn't feel so oppressed and controlled.
I'm with the PRCA on this one. It's their organization; their rules. If you don't like it, well that's too bad.
Kind of sounds like the same argument the United States has with changing our culture, beliefs and laws to become more in-line with outsiders wanting to be here... Ok, maybe that was a stretch, but seriously. | |
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| Tuff has not held back. It would sure make things a bit awkward if the ERA didnt pan out and he was looking to go back to the PRCA... | |
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Location: who knows? | 1DSoon - 2016-04-07 12:00 PM nvrenuf - 2016-04-06 1:01 PM From a sponsorship/revenue type of perspective, I think its stupid to only let certain patches sponsorships be showcased. Why not open it up and get more money for the contestants and possible more companies willing to put up big bucks? This is like stepping over a dime to pick up a nickle. Sounds like someone is double dipping to benefit themselves.
For instance. I had a barrel club president (not big scale but for this club it was) walk away from $1800 sponsorship because she could not have complete control over my sponsor. That's awesome that you had a sponsor.
I hope to be good enough someday to be sponsored.
I don't have a sponsor, I had a sponsor giving the club $1800 off the price of saddles and the president turned it down. After said sponsor had been one for 10+ years. | |
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| scwebster - 2016-04-06 1:21 PM
Tuff has not held back. It would sure make things a bit awkward if the ERA didnt pan out and he was looking to go back to the PRCA...Â
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2016-04-05 8:13 PM Wrangler, as a corporate sponsor, sponsors a large amount of cash to both the PRCA and WPRA. That money is, in theory, for all members. It is used as added money at events. They may not be great sponsors for individuals, but they do give a lot to the organizations.
Does the ERA even have corporate sponsors? I don't know. If not, then there is no conflict for contestants wearing sponsor patches for what/who ever is willing to sponsor them. I don't have numbers but a big part of my job is raising money/sponsorships and will say this. Pretty darn tough to go to a company and ask for $50,000 for an event, give them top billing and then have part of the event advertising their direct competitors. This isn't exclusive to PRCA, look at the NFL, they wear hats/shoes, etc by the company that has a deal with their team OR they wear what they choose (usually an endorsement) and eat the fine. This is business, if you want rodeos with big added money it has to come from somewhere, hence the huge $$ sponsors who help put on the show and pay the bills.
Hesitant to even say this not knowing all the facts and I get it, he wants to wear his sponsor patches, heck thats as it should be.
. Panhandle may have given Tuff money but Wrangler or the other huge sponsors sure do a lot more for your everyday cowboy who won't ever hit Vegas or have lucrative personal deals. The big rodeo sponsors make the wheels turn so every contestant has a shot at a piece of the pie, added money, rodeos in front of big crowds, etc. If someone wasn't paying for all that there sure wouldn't be ANY big names with shirts full of sponsors.
On another note if those guys decided to sign with Wrangler for 6 pairs of jeans then I'll sponsor them for six pairs of jeans and a t shirt. Or better yet have my organization hire whatever Wrangler personel inked that deal.
Edited by Frenchie 2016-04-06 9:45 PM
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Location: OK | I'm trying to find out what it costs a business to be a sponsor in the patch program. Do businesses have to pay anyone for that? Besides sponsoring the contestants of course. | |
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| MS2011 - 2016-04-05 3:44 PM
 F. Individuals may not have a patch, embroidery or decal in an Arena or Competition Arena with any company in competition with Exclusive Sponsors, Wrangler Jeans and Shirts (e.g., Roper, Panhandle Slim, Rocky Mountain Jeans, Rodeo Mania, Levi, or Cinch Jeans, etc.), and Justin Boot Company ( e.g., Lucchese, Twisted X, Ariat, Boulet, etc.) (Category subject to expansion.)
As a smaller company sponsor, I totally agree with this rule. The larger sponsors give A LOT more money/goods than I do and they should get exclusive rights to exposure at the events they are sponsoring. In my opinion that is more than fair.
Edited by BrightEyes 2017-02-11 3:37 PM
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Kind of funny that this thread came back up. I guess it didn't turn out so good for Tuff in the ERA. I'm surprised he returned to the PRCA since he was so oppressed. | |
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| Nevertooold - 2017-02-11 4:30 PM
Kind of funny that this thread came back up. I guess it didn't turn out so good for Tuff in the ERA. I'm surprised he returned to the PRCA since he was so oppressed.
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