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| cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd... I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke. I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue. Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education. I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them. | |
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BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.Â
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one?
That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd3tJn...
I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke.
I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue.
Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education.
I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them.
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cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.Â
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd3tJn... I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke. I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue. Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education. I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them.
No I just mean every barrel racer is. Most don't run in O'rings. I am joined to a bit forum on FB, where if you don't use a snaffle then you basically are a bad person. I don't ever post I just watch. But a lot of the talk in there is the bits that barrel racers use, and how barrel racers ruin there horses etc. | |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:27 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM
BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM
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BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.Â
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one?
That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd3tJn...
I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke.
I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue.
Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education.
I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them.
Okay now. Are we talking, broke broke, or face broke?
I don't understand what you mean by face broke?
My definition of a broke horse is I can control their entire body, face, neck, shoulder, hip, and mind at any speed in any bit.
I am not so concerned about my horses tucking their head to their chest when I pick up the reins, I would rather them ride in a natural headset or with the nose pointed at the ground. I am concerned with how my horses respond to my requests, they better do as I ask without protest, or there is a hole in my training.
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Location: The edge of no where | BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:30 AM FlyingJT - 2014-01-29 11:26 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd... I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke. I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue. Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education. I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them. No I just mean every barrel racer is. Most don't run in O'rings. I am joined to a bit forum on FB, where if you don't use a snaffle then you basically are a bad person. I don't ever post I just watch. But a lot of the talk in there is the bits that barrel racers use, and how barrel racers ruin there horses etc.
I never gave a flying flip about what some uneducated person thought about my methods or choice of headgear......just unjoin the page. | |
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Location: Florida.. | Did you take lessons with horse? the horse is being rode in her face. no body control. You should not be pulling her FACE around the barrels so many circles.. her joints and her "Mind" cant handle that ..
IF she was trained properly and you .. you would take her softness and use it to ride her body.. TRUE softness is aquired with her body and engagement from hind.. which you dont have. that is why she is strung out and pulling her face around the barrels or diving down. ALso there is no reason to circle so much ? also Post Your trot.. you are so deep in her back and with her not thru her back properly you will make it sore. Im sorry this is how I see it. you need to get her engaged thru her hind and back and allow her face to be soft and and over her poll. keep her shoulders squared and no pulling her face around as you are doing.. if the trainer worked on her and got her going well... she will lose it all by you riding with bad habits before long.. Not bashing you just watching and giving my honest opinion. the first video I cringed.. the 2nd one i did as well. you both need to work together with a trainer . shes a cute mare.. but I dont think her mind will take all this for long..doesnt she have arab in her? they are so smart but must be LIGHT wth them and soft.. driving them deep doesnt work. :) | |
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Location: Here | MS2011 - 2014-01-29 12:30 PM .
I never gave a flying flip about what some uneducated person thought about my methods or choice of headgear......just unjoin the page
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Location: The Great Northwest | There is different interpredations of broke. Riders have different levels of horsemanship. I don't like seeing a horse that is broke but not solid get a rider who doesn't have the experience to take the horse to be a solid broke horse. I have seen too well broke horse become very unbroke from poor horsemanship. We as riders are always training good or bad. It either keeps the horse broke or totally confuses them. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-29 1:28 PM Did you take lessons with horse? the horse is being rode in her face. no body control. You should not be pulling her FACE around the barrels so many circles.. her joints and her "Mind" cant handle that ..
IF she was trained properly and you .. you would take her softness and use it to ride her body.. TRUE softness is aquired with her body and engagement from hind.. which you dont have. that is why she is strung out and pulling her face around the barrels or diving down. ALso there is no reason to circle so much ? also Post Your trot.. you are so deep in her back and with her not thru her back properly you will make it sore. Im sorry this is how I see it. you need to get her engaged thru her hind and back and allow her face to be soft and and over her poll. keep her shoulders squared and no pulling her face around as you are doing.. if the trainer worked on her and got her going well... she will lose it all by you riding with bad habits before long.. Not bashing you just watching and giving my honest opinion. the first video I cringed.. the 2nd one i did as well. you both need to work together with a trainer . shes a cute mare.. but I dont think her mind will take all this for long..doesnt she have arab in her? they are so smart but must be LIGHT wth them and soft.. driving them deep doesnt work. :)
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Location: Oz, Kansas | Please don't pay any attention to any of the posters on that Tacky Tack page. | |
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Location: Midwest | Biblia put it well
You are using only your hand to steer. You need to ride with your seat and legs. You also need to support the outside of your turns.
Ignore those idiots on those bit forums. Most of those people have never done anything more than a local open show and are far from experts in barrel racing. | |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | barrelracr131 - 2014-01-29 1:18 PM Biblia put it well You are using only your hand to steer. You need to ride with your seat and legs. You also need to support the outside of your turns. Ignore those idiots on those bit forums. Most of those people have never done anything more than a local open show and are far from experts in barrel racing.
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Location: lexington KY | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-29 2:28 PM Did you take lessons with horse? the horse is being rode in her face. no body control. You should not be pulling her FACE around the barrels so many circles.. her joints and her "Mind" cant handle that ..
IF she was trained properly and you .. you would take her softness and use it to ride her body.. TRUE softness is aquired with her body and engagement from hind.. which you dont have. that is why she is strung out and pulling her face around the barrels or diving down. ALso there is no reason to circle so much ? also Post Your trot.. you are so deep in her back and with her not thru her back properly you will make it sore. Im sorry this is how I see it. you need to get her engaged thru her hind and back and allow her face to be soft and and over her poll. keep her shoulders squared and no pulling her face around as you are doing.. if the trainer worked on her and got her going well... she will lose it all by you riding with bad habits before long.. Not bashing you just watching and giving my honest opinion. the first video I cringed.. the 2nd one i did as well. you both need to work together with a trainer . shes a cute mare.. but I dont think her mind will take all this for long..doesnt she have arab in her? they are so smart but must be LIGHT wth them and soft.. driving them deep doesnt work. :)
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | Â I just seen the video and think that you need to slow things down, the horse is not collecting his head and you arent using all of your tools to communicate such as leg pressure body weight/posture and even voice. I agree that a snaffle doesn't always work with some horses,but this horse is not broke how I'd like my barrel horse to be. | |
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Location: North Dakota | To be quite honest, I think you need to take your horse (and yourself) back to the trainer. She is not using her body correctly. She's turning her nose in with the turn, and spinning around with everything else.
You need to learn how to drive her from behind and get her body working together. Use your seat and legs. Go take some lessons. Please don't take that as harsh, but you do in fact need some help in order to help your horse use her body correctly.
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Location: Arizona | Different horses run in different bits...if you can run your horse in a snaffle great, if you can't great. All the people shouting if you don't run in a snaffle then you have no idea what you're doing have probably never even tried to train a successful barrel horse. I'd hate for someone to tell Charmayne James that she doesn't know what she is doing or isn't a good trainer because her multiple world champion horses all ran in shanked bits...
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Location: Deep South | BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:30 AM FlyingJT - 2014-01-29 11:26 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd... I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke. I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue. Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education. I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them. No I just mean every barrel racer is. Most don't run in O'rings. I am joined to a bit forum on FB, where if you don't use a snaffle then you basically are a bad person. I don't ever post I just watch. But a lot of the talk in there is the bits that barrel racers use, and how barrel racers ruin there horses etc.
Why on earth would any barrel racer remain a member of a group like this to begin with?? I would not want to be a part of any enviroment that generalizes all barrel racers as ruining their horses. And would certainly not think twice about taking their training advice. | |
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Location: Mayberry | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-29 1:28 PM
Did you take lessons with horse? the horse is being rode in her face. no body control. You should not be pulling her FACE around the barrels so many circles.. her joints and her "Mind" cant handle that ..
IF she was trained properly and you .. you would take her softness and use it to ride her  body.. TRUE softness is aquired with her body and engagement from hind.. which you dont have. that is why she is strung out and pulling her face around the barrels or diving down. ALso there is no reason to circle so much ? also Post Your trot.. you are so deep in her back and with her not thru her back properly you will make it sore. Im sorry this is how I see it. you need to  get her engaged thru her hind and back and allow her face to be soft and and over her poll. keep her shoulders squared and no pulling her face around as you are doing.. if the trainer worked on her and got her going well... she will lose it all by you riding with bad habits before long.. Not bashing you just watching and giving my honest opinion. the first video I cringed.. the 2nd one i did as well. you both need to work together with a trainer . shes a cute mare.. but I dont think her mind will take all this for long..doesnt she have arab in her? they are so smart but must be LIGHT wth them and soft.. driving them deep doesnt work.  :)
Excellent advice, I couldn't agree more. | |
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