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Location: Louisiana | ExtraAccount - 2015-12-20 2:02 AM We used it on our 10 year old gelding who wasn't skinny by any means but had NO topline and just needed to fill out...it honestly worked wonders on him but once he filled out we stopped buying it because of the price and hard to find dealers in our rural area. I guess i always thought it was more for filling things out and you do have to feed quite a bit which is ok because on skinny horses you can feed it free choice. FT fed it to her old horse (not gonna get into it on my thoughts on her or that she let him get that way lol) but it seemed to work really well for her
The people that I know who love and push TE do just that. They feed as much as the horses want. I was following the recommended rate per the website and bag. Even after upping it my horse was losing weight. His top line went slow enough that it took me a while to notice. It took a long time to get him to regain, he's already a big lanky horse.
It's expensive, I couldn't afford to feed him double or triple the recommended rate.
That at was a couple years ago, but we recently swapped the entire herd over to alfalfa, whole oats, and black oil sunflower seeds.
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 Double Standards Don't Fly
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Location: At the barn | I wish I could post pictures. My horses get 3/4 to 1 scoop a day depending on the individual. And I would challenge anyone to beat their top lines.
You see definitely DO NOT have to feed a lot of this feed. |
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Location: West Texas | I believe, if you feed 5 lbs of any concentrate, the success or failure of that feed program will be determined by the 80% of the ration made up in forage. Marketing has taken its toll on horse feeding. I will guarantee if more people took as much effort and emphasis on buying and feeding the best forage, they would be happy with 99% of all the concentrates out there. TE is really affected by this phenomenon, just because of the low feeding rates.
I know this sounds bad, but if TE is giving really bad results at the 4-5 lb feeding rate, your hay quality is the problem that needs solving. I do feel personally that TE is overpriced for the value and not in line with my feeding preferences.
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| Thanks for the responses.I weighed it....he is getting 6lbs....1-2 flakes of alfalfa per day and turnout on a fertilized pasture 24/7. I cannot get Renew Gold. If I can figure out how to post pics I will. If he looks this bad in 1 month I'm scared to see him on it in 2 months. |
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| I was just given a sample of it last night as my 29 yr old mare has not been eating well and I was thinking about going to a "softer" feed as she had a tooth removed 3 weeks ago and I noticed her chewing with her front teeth. She would not touch it and ate most of her regular feed. This morning I just added warm water to her regular feed (a mix of Kalm n EZ and Tribute Maturity) and she ate that fine but noticed what ended up being a horribly infected smelling discharge from her nostril.... the same side as the extraction. So I think I have found my problem. (She got a penicillin shot and a call will go to vet in the morning).
I have been quite happy with the switch to the Tribute feeds. I used to be old school, oats and corn kind of girl, until I had a PSSM horse. I ended up switching all of my horses over to low starch feed because it was easier and noticed that I feed much less of it that I did grain. I like the idea of digestive enzymes and pre and probiotics , plus glucosamine, chondrotion, MSM and biotin right in the feed (don't know if it's enough but at least there is some). I do feed alfafa but they all seem to be doing very well on it and I was able to finally get weight on that same old mare after a very hot, dry summer a few years ago melted it off. |
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| So Ultium is $30 for 1 bag. NOPE. I board so I try to keep things easy....but I can bag his AM and PM feedings if neccessary to make it easy and to ensure he's getting what he needs. I ordered some Omega Equine Complete supplement. I'm contemplating Nutrena Empower Boost and alfalfa or Timothy pellets. My other best option is Strategy Healthy Edge. I just want him filled out and healthy again. The is a old timey.... thickly built cowbred horse that looks like a sucked up TB racehorse. So frustrated. Any recommendations are appreciated. I can only get Nutrena or Purina besides the Total Equine...or oats...beetpulp...and alfalfa pellets.
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I've tried putting the black horse below on TE three different times & every time his feet fell apart. I tried Strategy, etc and tried some top notch hoof supplements and I keep coming back to the TE. For whatever reason, he can't keep a shoe on anything else. ?He's on the recommended 4 pounds per day which is two 3qt scoops. This past summer, I rode a 4yr old that's a lot harder keeper & he blossumed on two scoops per day -- I did add rice bran and he got a couple scoops of alfalfa. I also put 3 of my others on it and they were fat on 2 pounds per day so I put them on just a balancer because I was worried that they weren't getting the vit/min they needed only 2 pounds. In September I tried putting a OTTB on TE and he lost, but then he wouldn't stay on the low starch we tried either. He's been on straight oats & a little barley and rice bran and he's flourishing. I just got in a 13yr old grade race bred horse that's a very hard keeper and I'm trying him on TE & a little barley because he's nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof and he needs to chill. He'll be a good test because you could always see rib on him with his previous owners --- and my farrier calls my place the fat farm because everything seems to flourish here! Don't think his top line looks too bad considering he's been off since last February...
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Double Standards Don't Fly
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Location: At the barn | Some horses aren't crazy about it to begin with. It took my stallion a year or longer to really like it. Now he loves it.
For a senior, Make a soup with warm water. My boy did so good on it. He would have been dead had I not switched.
But you can't offer their old feed and TE.
Honestly, 1 month on a feed isn't long enough to judge the feed. I have seen about 4 really go thru an odd transition period at the 30 day Mark. But 2 months later they looked like different animals. It's almost like their systems had to purge and reboot.
I had 2 horses that were clients and they both came here looking very unthrifty. One had been starved down by a trainer and the other has zero top line and looked just like crap. It took 3 months to get these two on the right track but the difference was utterly amazing.
And drastic changes like that take time. Other feeds just seem to blow their barrels out and they look "full" but still have a sharp top line. TE actually builds the top line first. |
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| If I could post pics I would. I loved the way my gelding looked. I switched bc the feed I used was no longer carried. He is 7....not a senior. I've never seen him look so poor and I take care of my horses. I am scared to leave him on a feed that in 30 days has literally sucked the fat and muscle off him. I appreciate all of the responses. |
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| My horse looked great. I switched bc Bluebonnet was no longer a choice and I am not a fan of Purina or Nutrena. I should've just put him on a calorie source and a vitamin/mineral source. It will take atleast 60 days to get him back to weight. |
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Location: OH. IO | rodeoveteran - 2015-12-20 1:51 PM
I was just given a sample of it last night as my 29 yr old mare has not been eating well and I was thinking about going to a "softer" feed as she had a tooth removed 3 weeks ago and I noticed her chewing with her front teeth. She would not touch it and ate most of her regular feed. This morning I just added warm water to her regular feed (a mix of Kalm n EZ and Tribute Maturity) and she ate that fine but noticed what ended up being a horribly infected smelling discharge from her nostril.... the same side as the extraction. So I think I have found my problem. (She got a penicillin shot and a call will go to vet in the morning).
I have been quite happy with the switch to the Tribute feeds. I used to be old school, oats and corn kind of girl, until I had a PSSM horse. I ended up switching all of my horses over to low starch feed because it was easier and noticed that I feed much less of it that I did grain. I like the idea of digestive enzymes and pre and probiotics , plus glucosamine, chondrotion, MSM and biotin right in the feed (don't know if it's enough but at least there is some). I do feed alfafa but they all seem to be doing very well on it and I was able to finally get weight on that same old mare after a very hot, dry summer a few years ago melted it off.
Im with you. We feed tribute kalm ultra. At 17 bucks a bag I am in awww of tribute feeds.we have fed it for years and will not change. No more different band wagons for us!! Thats a great feeling! |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | What works well for one may not work for another.
My old retired TB looking Appy was having trouble maintaining weight. His digestive system just isn't what it used to be. The fact that TE is an extruded feed is what makes it work so well for him. It's easier to digest. We had been feeding Triple Crown Senior...but the quality of that feed had really become inconsistent. Now...on the TE he looks really great and has gained weight. He has been on it probably a year.
We have our other two on it but they are both easy keepers and really just get it to feel included. They look great too...but I attribute that to their forage as much as anything since they don't get much TE.
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Location: Borger, Tx | Fed it for 3 years and all of mine from 2yrs to 25yrs all looked and did wonderful on it. BUT then last year my 18yr old gelding started getting very body sore, and acting like an idiot! NOTHING and I mean NOTHING else in his diet or his helath care changed, feet, teeth are always maintained. He has never had any issues of setting back while tied and all of a sudden he got to where he started doing it and it was very sporadic behaviour. A friend of mine who had been feeding it for the same amount of time started having issues as well. I swithced this summer and have already started to see improvements with him as well as my friend with her gelding (she stopped feeding it too). We both hated to quit using it, we were both big fans of it but just not happy with what was happening. I would never tell anyone not to try it as it does work for some and I feel it is a good feed.
Good luck, feed has become such a hot topic lately and trying to find 1 feed that everyone agrees on is an ongoing battle.
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| Hank & Tank - 2015-12-21 8:41 AM
Fed it for 3 years and all of mine from 2yrs to 25yrs all looked and did wonderful on it. BUT then last year my 18yr old gelding started getting very body sore, and acting like an idiot! NOTHING and I mean NOTHING else in his diet or his helath care changed, feet, teeth are always maintained. He has never had any issues of setting back while tied and all of a sudden he got to where he started doing it and it was very sporadic behaviour. A friend of mine who had been feeding it for the same amount of time started having issues as well. I swithced this summer and have already started to see improvements with him as well as my friend with her gelding (she stopped feeding it too). We both hated to quit using it, we were both big fans of it but just not happy with what was happening. I would never tell anyone not to try it as it does work for some and I feel it is a good feed.
Good luck, feed has become such a hot topic lately and trying to find 1 feed that everyone agrees on is an ongoing battle.
Same thing happened with my husbands head horse. He was kid gentle before then started setting back every time we tried to saddle him on TE. Took him off it, and he went back to normal. My main horse looked GREAT on it, but he was the only one out of 8. I wasnt a fan. |
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| Well....thanks to an awesome BHW member and my awesome feed store I will now switch my horse to Renew Gold. I think I'll keep a photo diary :) |
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Location: Stanfield, Oregon | I fed it to my younger mare who needed some extra groceries. She ate 2 months worth great, put the weight on she needed. Then just stopped eating it.. I gave her just it to eat, nope. I now feed Nutrina Pro Force, my oldie looks and feels great. My other 3 are fat, sassy and EAT this stuff.. I gave it a try and for me it didn't work..
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