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| astreakinchic - 2015-06-15 12:20 PM
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Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-14 6:34 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-06-14 5:59 PM There really is no thing as a seat too big. A bigger seat will only help you sit deeper in the turns. Why do you think cutting ppl ride those big ol 16 in saddles? Most barrel ppl ride a saddle thats too small and too high a back that throws them forward in the turns and they have no idea it causes them to be off balance because they can't sit deep and stay balanced and with their horses in the turns. BUT i will say there are some girls those style of riding requires them to stay forward and some horses bottom line with not clock and work if not constantly pushed by a rider that stays forward and pushes on them however awkward that may look. Case in point Sarah and bling or the old team of Brian and Peaches. Google pics I'm too lazy to resize and post. Everyone has a different style and so does the horse...it'll work for some but not for others. Some ppl want a bob marshall saddle to help them stay with a horse that "bends into" or is "snakey" in the turns. I usually just sale that kinda horse LOL 99% of the time getting behind is caused by not being balanced in the turns and usually thats just a seat/confidence problem. Best exercise is to ride. Lope lots and lots of circles without depending on the reins to balance. Have someone lounge your horse and use one hand to hold the horn if you must, eventually you want to focus on not touching anything. Youtube a reiner or stacy westfall (a bride less run) and watch them...they have their hands up for balance to help but they are completely out of that horses mouth balancing on their own. Another one I've seen is setting your saddle up on a fence and you practicing like its a run and starfishes and kicking to win the world. It'll teach you balance or the fence with dump you LOL
Now that would be a funny video watching someone riding the fence, LOL
I guess she's never sat in a treeless. lol I think I'd need a doctor after riding it on a fence...
actually this is straight from Jackie and Tammi they even recommend you do it at their clinics
And I've owned 10-12 treeless saddles 
Knew a gal that did it in her jackie treeless and let me tell you you'll either learn balance or hurt yourself LOL
Just for fun I did try it once in a treed saddle.
Its not really how I'd recommend to fix the problem but I do know ppl who have had success with this method. If you google you might be able to find where Jackie Dube talks about doing this. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | astreakinchic - 2015-06-15 4:39 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-15 1:33 PM astreakinchic - 2015-06-15 11:20 AM CallMeSkidmark - 2015-06-15 8:41 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-14 6:34 PM astreakinchic - 2015-06-14 5:59 PM There really is no thing as a seat too big. A bigger seat will only help you sit deeper in the turns. Why do you think cutting ppl ride those big ol 16 in saddles? Most barrel ppl ride a saddle thats too small and too high a back that throws them forward in the turns and they have no idea it causes them to be off balance because they can't sit deep and stay balanced and with their horses in the turns. BUT i will say there are some girls those style of riding requires them to stay forward and some horses bottom line with not clock and work if not constantly pushed by a rider that stays forward and pushes on them however awkward that may look. Case in point Sarah and bling or the old team of Brian and Peaches. Google pics I'm too lazy to resize and post. Everyone has a different style and so does the horse...it'll work for some but not for others. Some ppl want a bob marshall saddle to help them stay with a horse that "bends into" or is "snakey" in the turns. I usually just sale that kinda horse LOL 99% of the time getting behind is caused by not being balanced in the turns and usually thats just a seat/confidence problem. Best exercise is to ride. Lope lots and lots of circles without depending on the reins to balance. Have someone lounge your horse and use one hand to hold the horn if you must, eventually you want to focus on not touching anything. Youtube a reiner or stacy westfall (a bride less run) and watch them...they have their hands up for balance to help but they are completely out of that horses mouth balancing on their own. Another one I've seen is setting your saddle up on a fence and you practicing like its a run and starfishes and kicking to win the world. It'll teach you balance or the fence with dump you LOL Now that would be a funny video watching someone riding the fence, LOL I guess she's never sat in a treeless. lol I think I'd need a doctor after riding it on a fence... actually this is straight from Jackie and Tammi they even recommend you do it at their clinics And I've owned 10-12 treeless saddles 
Edited to add; I'm sorry if I offened you I did not mean for it to sound snarky, was writing what I was thinking would be funny. NO NO your fine! I never get my panties in a twist! LOL I post quick, short, and from my phone...i should put a disclaimer on here I guess LOL I've never done the fence riding thing myself but I've seen ppl do it religiously and it helped their balance. Also, it helped this one girl learn to whip after riding free runners she bought a push style and the fence riding helped her practice without blowing up or putting undo stress on her horse.
Good that we're good, LOL Holy cow if I tryed the fence riding I would wind up breaking something or hurting my saddle then I would be mad, lol... I bet a bucking barrel would be fun with a saddle if you could keep it on there.
But I have never heard of putting your saddle on a fence and do the whiping and kicking thing. But I'm old school and this must have come up with all the new things to do for your riding in the last 15 years. | |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-15 5:50 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-06-15 4:39 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-15 1:33 PM astreakinchic - 2015-06-15 11:20 AM CallMeSkidmark - 2015-06-15 8:41 AM Southtxponygirl - 2015-06-14 6:34 PM astreakinchic - 2015-06-14 5:59 PM There really is no thing as a seat too big. A bigger seat will only help you sit deeper in the turns. Why do you think cutting ppl ride those big ol 16 in saddles? Most barrel ppl ride a saddle thats too small and too high a back that throws them forward in the turns and they have no idea it causes them to be off balance because they can't sit deep and stay balanced and with their horses in the turns. BUT i will say there are some girls those style of riding requires them to stay forward and some horses bottom line with not clock and work if not constantly pushed by a rider that stays forward and pushes on them however awkward that may look. Case in point Sarah and bling or the old team of Brian and Peaches. Google pics I'm too lazy to resize and post. Everyone has a different style and so does the horse...it'll work for some but not for others. Some ppl want a bob marshall saddle to help them stay with a horse that "bends into" or is "snakey" in the turns. I usually just sale that kinda horse LOL 99% of the time getting behind is caused by not being balanced in the turns and usually thats just a seat/confidence problem. Best exercise is to ride. Lope lots and lots of circles without depending on the reins to balance. Have someone lounge your horse and use one hand to hold the horn if you must, eventually you want to focus on not touching anything. Youtube a reiner or stacy westfall (a bride less run) and watch them...they have their hands up for balance to help but they are completely out of that horses mouth balancing on their own. Another one I've seen is setting your saddle up on a fence and you practicing like its a run and starfishes and kicking to win the world. It'll teach you balance or the fence with dump you LOL Now that would be a funny video watching someone riding the fence, LOL I guess she's never sat in a treeless. lol I think I'd need a doctor after riding it on a fence... actually this is straight from Jackie and Tammi they even recommend you do it at their clinics And I've owned 10-12 treeless saddles
Edited to add; I'm sorry if I offened you I did not mean for it to sound snarky, was writing what I was thinking would be funny. NO NO your fine! I never get my panties in a twist! LOL I post quick, short, and from my phone...i should put a disclaimer on here I guess LOL I've never done the fence riding thing myself but I've seen ppl do it religiously and it helped their balance. Also, it helped this one girl learn to whip after riding free runners she bought a push style and the fence riding helped her practice without blowing up or putting undo stress on her horse.
But I have never heard of putting your saddle on a fence and do the whiping and kicking thing. But I'm old school and this must have come up with all the new things to do for your riding in the last 15 years.
ahhh new to me too and not how i'd fix the problem but I've seen it help some ppl. They get confidence being able to practice that way. | |
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| CallMeSkidmark - 2015-06-13 1:51 PM Lol, Hammer, that made me laugh. Unfortunately, I don't have the budget for a treed saddle that fits my horse, hence the BM. For what I purchased it for, I couldn't even buy a test ride on a Pozzi or anything worth riding in. I truly wish I could! Just trying to work with what I have without going into debt. I know that my horse likes the treeless better than the saddle I was riding her in before. I may try to run in my Bobs Custom to see if it is in fact a saddle issue that is keeping me behind, rather than me just not being an efficient rider. I know that there are people that can get their hinneys out of a treeless... Fallon does it, and I've seen a local competitor or two run successfully in them. I want to give this saddle a chance, because it feels great and my mare really seems to like it. I assure you... if I had the budget it takes to buy a treed saddle that fit both my horse and I, I would in a heartbeat.
I WOULD NOT GET LEFT BEHIND ON MY OTHERS but bernie bear when he left a barrel i was really hoping i made the tip
i got a majic seat just for him i did not care what others said they did not pay my bills
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| I'm sorry guys, been crazy around here so I didn't get a chance to look at the thread. Thank you everyone who responded with help!
I rode my gelding this week and worked the barrels with him and didn't feel the same struggle as I did with my mare. I slowed the videos down and did a frame by frame. I think a big part of the issue is just her way of going. Shes long as a Cadillac and front endy... so when I'm heading into and behind a barrel, I'm sitting down and back trying to get her to shift her body weight. Then all the sudden she goes from hip over head, to busting out of the barrel like a bat outa hell. I'm going to HAVE to get three steps ahead of her if I have any hope of hanging on without getting in the way. My gelding is shorter backed, and stays elevated through his front end through a turn, so I didn't feel even a little behind him. His body feels the same all the way around, while hers changes drastically in just a couple strides. It kinda of reminds me of how Hotshot went into a barrel... of course, not nearly as efficient as him, but still front endy in the same way.
Thank you again guys! I'm going to try to work on a few things mentioned and see how it is in a few months.
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