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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-04 10:36 AM I attempted to list a beaded draw gag headstall, nobody bought a spot HA!
But saw an ad on facebook for a "pro" horse that they wanted $200 a spot, at 200 spots which equals out to be $40,000. Plus I've seen several more people posting grade junky looking horses and wanting pretty much $10,000 after it's all said and done lol.
I dont do FB so was pretty shocked over the ad that was on here, that was the first time I ever saw one like that, it was really different, that's why I was wondering if it was legal, I"m not with the times, really pretty far behind really, lol.. | |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-04 10:32 AM
That looks like more of a auction, you just send in a bid. But the ad had buy a random spot for 100 dollars you can buy as many as you like and you send them the money and hope that the spot are spots you picked will be the winner.Â
Yeah, you're right, the cranky ape is more of an auction.
When you buy a "spot" on the other ad types, how do you know what "spot" you buy? Are they numbered or something and then do they draw somehow for the winner? (As you can see, I am totally lost here)!  | |
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Crankyape is just an online auction house for Insurance and Repo stuff-----you do noy buy a ticket, you bid online like E-Bay. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Griz - 2016-05-04 11:01 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-04 10:32 AM That looks like more of a auction, you just send in a bid. But the ad had buy a random spot for 100 dollars you can buy as many as you like and you send them the money and hope that the spot are spots you picked will be the winner. Yeah, you're right, the cranky ape is more of an auction. When you buy a "spot" on the other ad types, how do you know what "spot" you buy? Are they numbered or something and then do they draw somehow for the winner? (As you can see, I am totally lost here )!
This is all new to me too,lol. But the ad that I saw had numbers that you as the buyer picks out the number you want. And the numbers are there and your name gos beside the number that you pick out and when all the numbers are filled then they do a draw I dont know how they do the drawing tho.
The ad that was on here was the first I have ever seen of a random buying spot. | |
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Location: California | Finally saw one of these "raffles" listed on FB. Listed as 2016 "Dash for Cash foals" $50 per spot with 100 spots to fill.  | |
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Location: Kansas | ccarpe18 - 2016-05-05 10:24 AM Finally saw one of these "raffles" listed on FB. Listed as 2016 "Dash for Cash foals" $50 per spot with 100 spots to fill.
I saw that one too, beware of that seller at all costs. She had an ad up here on BHW for a weanling with one name, yet she has another name on facebook. | |
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Location: California | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-05 8:32 AM ccarpe18 - 2016-05-05 10:24 AM Finally saw one of these "raffles" listed on FB. Listed as 2016 "Dash for Cash foals" $50 per spot with 100 spots to fill.
I figured! Shoot I saw red flags all over that one when I was just browsing. I commented on it, so I'll probably be blocked soon LOL | |
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Location: Northwest Florida | vjls - 2016-05-02 11:44 AM
i contacted my lawyer today
to see if i could do this with my farm have not heard back Â
Someone did something similar with a farm before, you may have seen the ad because it gained a lot of popularity. I believe it was in SC but don't quote me on that! It was a few years ago.
What they did though, was hold an essay contest. I believe the entry fee was only $30 and open to anyone over the age of 18. You had a few essay topics to choose from, all farming related, and months to enter. They had thousands of entries, and eventually selected a winner of the entire property.
This may be a legal loop hole, just something to think about.
However, I feel much differently about this being done with a living breathing animal.
As far as the OP, yes the ad was illegal. I am friends with this seller on Facebook and once enough people brought it to his attention he deleted the ad. He did not start accepting payments yet though, so no money had to be refunded and no harm was done.
I am happy to see these ridiculous ads beginning to get nipped in the butt. I posted a couple responses on a similar thread on here, "latest selling trend", about how easily these can be complete scams. It is also despicable to me that someone would let their horse fall into the hands of whoever paypal'd over $50-$200 on a whim. Who knows if they are a good fit, what their intentions are with the horse, and when something doesn't work out what they'll do with a horse they have such little invested in.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | BigStarBound - 2016-05-05 3:50 PM vjls - 2016-05-02 11:44 AM i contacted my lawyer today
to see if i could do this with my farm have not heard back Someone did something similar with a farm before, you may have seen the ad because it gained a lot of popularity. I believe it was in SC but don't quote me on that! It was a few years ago. What they did though, was hold an essay contest. I believe the entry fee was only $30 and open to anyone over the age of 18. You had a few essay topics to choose from, all farming related, and months to enter. They had thousands of entries, and eventually selected a winner of the entire property. This may be a legal loop hole, just something to think about. However, I feel much differently about this being done with a living breathing animal. As far as the OP, yes the ad was illegal. I am friends with this seller on Facebook and once enough people brought it to his attention he deleted the ad. He did not start accepting payments yet though, so no money had to be refunded and no harm was done. I am happy to see these ridiculous ads beginning to get nipped in the butt. I posted a couple responses on a similar thread on here, "latest selling trend", about how easily these can be complete scams. It is also despicable to me that someone would let their horse fall into the hands of whoever paypal'd over $50-$200 on a whim. Who knows if they are a good fit, what their intentions are with the horse, and when something doesn't work out what they'll do with a horse they have such little invested in.
Is this the first horse that your FB friend tryed doing the random draw thing on?
I just dont understand how someone could just let their horse go knowing that this person that won the draw may not know jack squat about horses and may not even have a place for this horse. Just so sad on the horses part if they fall into the wrong hands like many of them do even with someone that knows better.  | |
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Location: Northwest Florida | Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-05 5:57 PM
BigStarBound - 2016-05-05 3:50 PM vjls - 2016-05-02 11:44 AM i contacted my lawyer today
to see if i could do this with my farm have not heard back Someone did something similar with a farm before, you may have seen the ad because it gained a lot of popularity. I believe it was in SC but don't quote me on that! It was a few years ago. What they did though, was hold an essay contest. I believe the entry fee was only $30 and open to anyone over the age of 18. You had a few essay topics to choose from, all farming related, and months to enter. They had thousands of entries, and eventually selected a winner of the entire property. This may be a legal loop hole, just something to think about. However, I feel much differently about this being done with a living breathing animal. As far as the OP, yes the ad was illegal. I am friends with this seller on Facebook and once enough people brought it to his attention he deleted the ad. He did not start accepting payments yet though, so no money had to be refunded and no harm was done. I am happy to see these ridiculous ads beginning to get nipped in the butt. I posted a couple responses on a similar thread on here, "latest selling trend", about how easily these can be complete scams. It is also despicable to me that someone would let their horse fall into the hands of whoever paypal'd over $50-$200 on a whim. Who knows if they are a good fit, what their intentions are with the horse, and when something doesn't work out what they'll do with a horse they have such little invested in.
I just dont understand how someone could just let their horse go knowing that this person that won the draw may not know jack squat about horses and may not even have a place for this horse. Just so sad on the horses part if they fall into the wrong hands like many of them do even with someone that knows better. Â
It's the first time I've seen him try it yes and I certainly don't understand it either. This isn't someone I've ever met in person, he's just a fairly well known trainer and breeder in my state so somehow over the course of business we became friends on facebook. I think a friend of mine may have bought a finished horse off of him at one point years ago.
I do think it's respectable that he cancelled it once the legality was brought to light. I've seen many people ignore comments about their raffles being illegal. Most just don't think anything is going to happen.
I think someone is going to face consequences for it eventually and hopefully soon. Let a person with some enemies out there that will report them try to hold one of these raffles, or someone raffle off a horse that the winner is displeased with or feels was misrepresented and report them then for holding the illegal drawing in the first place.
There are way too many easy ways to scam people, from passing off injured horses to holding fake raffles for horses you may not even own, creating a fake winner and walking away with everyone's money. It's just another avenue for dishonest people to make money in the horse industry and I hope it gets shut down sooner than later. | |
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