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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I would say that non horse people wear more Wrangler clothing then do horse people. I know our western store in town quit carrying Wranglers because Walmart and Academy carry them and they can't compete with their prices. I see more of our younger clients that are wearing Cinch jeans and seems that the older generation of cowboy's wear Wranglers. Just an observation. |
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Location: Texas! | Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 7:08 PM I would say that non horse people wear more Wrangler clothing then do horse people. I know our western store in town quit carrying Wranglers because Walmart and Academy carry them and they can't compete with their prices. I see more of our younger clients that are wearing Cinch jeans and seems that the older generation of cowboy's wear Wranglers. Just an observation.
I agree, I think when Cinch came about Wrangler took a hit with the cowboys and now with all the other jeans that are out and popular I don't see many people wearing wrangler anymore. |
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Location: ND | WYOracer - 2014-01-01 9:25 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 7:08 PM I would say that non horse people wear more Wrangler clothing then do horse people. I know our western store in town quit carrying Wranglers because Walmart and Academy carry them and they can't compete with their prices. I see more of our younger clients that are wearing Cinch jeans and seems that the older generation of cowboy's wear Wranglers. Just an observation. I agree, I think when Cinch came about Wrangler took a hit with the cowboys and now with all the other jeans that are out and popular I don't see many people wearing wrangler anymore.
i was never much for wrangler in the first place.....levi.......and cinch....carhart is better than any of them as far as for work.... |
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Location: Texas | Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 8:08 PM I would say that non horse people wear more Wrangler clothing then do horse people. I know our western store in town quit carrying Wranglers because Walmart and Academy carry them and they can't compete with their prices. I see more of our younger clients that are wearing Cinch jeans and seems that the older generation of cowboy's wear Wranglers. Just an observation.
Do you live in a rural area? I don't. I don't see Wranglers outside the horse community EVER. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I only see the horse/ranch people wearing Wrangler. |
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Location: The edge of no where | whirlaway - 2014-01-01 9:14 AM ive been following this mess best i can. let me start off by saying one of my goals is not to make it to the thomas and mack and run down that ally (granted it would be awesome! but id be bawling so hard id be so excited LOL) my goal for the NFR is to just be able to see it in person once in my lifetime! for that id be grateful. that said here are my random thoughts and questions.
1. wouldnt keeping with GAC and getting paid that million dollars be worth it? you could add that million into the contestant winnings. to me a million would go a heck of a lot further than paying for tv broadcast.
2. think of your vendors. without them you will not get quite the crowd. people LOVE shopping especially at holiday time. moving the location to a more expensive location to get to, stay at etc is hurting your vendors. It will effect them harshly, they too are trying to make a hard earned dollar, while supporting our sport!! and many of them help our NFR competitors get down the road! Talk about biting the hand that helps feed you.
3. Going back to my goal of someday even just getting to go watch it in person, the cost of going to flordia in december is out of reach for many people. Our sport is now going to be priceing people out of going. Just like the NFL many do not go because its too expensive! look at the ticket prices to a foot ball game. INSANE. without people $$$ will not be made. this effects every aspect of the NFR.
4. NFR in flordia, high cost of hotels and food, traffic, and many would rather not attend disney world. Im not going there to see a mouse on that trip im going to see the NFR and the experience of cowboy christas not mouse christmas lol.
5. ok now take this one with a grain of salt, dont flame me. i realize the competitors spend vast amounts of money getting down the road. Most of them have mulitiple sponsors. That does help off set the costs. Many are million dollar cowboys, they have made over a million dollars. Im sorry but some of these competitiors comments are comming off as pretty greedy. They make dang good money even just for a round win. (granted i dont blame them for wanting more, we all want more) and look at the other pay offs the NFR pays, the brand new truck, the averages, best dressed, etc. there is a LOT of money handed out over 10 rounds! lets be honest here how many times have any one of us made that kind of cash in under a minute in the arena? I see a lot of this as greed, not just from some competitors comments but also on the part of the PRCA. You can not honestly tell me any one of them is starveing to death not able to put food on the table.
6. something stinks in denmark, PRCA i feel is burning some major bridges that will cause a huge dent in our sport. The trickle down effect will hit everyone. i have a feeling this is catering to one persons wants and not the needs of the sport as a whole.
i guess at this point all we can do is see how it plays out, but it makes me sick watching as its destroyed piece by greedy piece I'm not sure you've really got a 'feel' for what it costs to go down the road. Most of the competitors that make the finals are either in the hole or breaking even when they get there. The NFR is the time they make some money for the year. It kinda boggles my mind that you think they are being 'greedy' for wanting the payout to increase. Good grief, these are the elite of our sport. Why should they not make more money? Look at what rodeo pays out in comparison to any other professional sport. There is no retirement plan, they don't get paid if they don't win. I don't understand how anyone that is really a fan of rodeo could possibly not want the best for the competitors.
I've been to Vegas during the finals many times. You haven't spent the money to go to Vegas, why complain that now you won't be able to afford to go (you weren't going to begin with)? The tickets at the T&M are not cheap. It's expensive to even sit in the nosebleed section IF you can get tickets in the first place.
If the NFR moves, the cowboy christmas will follow. There's nothing about it that is Vegas specific. It's just a great big room full of tons of vendors.
Everyone has their panties in a wad... OMG the finals won't be the same if not in Vegas. Same bullchit crap that went on when it moved from OKC. Change is occasionally needed to better the sport. NO one has said the NFR is moving to FL or that it is leaving Vegas. The PRCA turned down the initial offer from Vegas and is accepting bids from other venues. IMO Vegas low balled their first offer because they expected the cowboys to rollover and accept it. In business that's a very novice move. The NFR brings more revenue to Vegas than any other event. Why not be mad at the committee that put together a low ball offer instead of saying the cowboys are greedy? They will make another offer, they aren't going to let the NFR go that easily.
(The Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Board of Directors voted Dec. 15 to reject the terms of the current financial offer from Las Vegas Events to extend the WNFR contract past 2014. The PRCA Board did not vote to leave Las Vegas; the vote was made strictly on the content of the current offer. The PRCA continues to carefully consider offers from all potential WNFR hosts.)
Most sponsors are simply products, on the ones that do get some $$$, it's not enough to make a dent in the fuel bill. Some companies will give a bonus for making the NFR....but again, it's not much in comparison to what is spent. In relation the number of competitors, there are few that have passed the million dollar mark. Would you come on here and say a football player or baseball player is a sorry greedy sob for making a million?
I'm not flaming you...but you've got a very uneducated view about what it takes for a competitor to get to Vegas. Before you go to bashing the cowboys and calling them greedy, make sure you have the full picture.
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Location: Texas | MS2011 - 2014-01-02 9:08 AM whirlaway - 2014-01-01 9:14 AM ive been following this mess best i can. let me start off by saying one of my goals is not to make it to the thomas and mack and run down that ally (granted it would be awesome! but id be bawling so hard id be so excited LOL) my goal for the NFR is to just be able to see it in person once in my lifetime! for that id be grateful. that said here are my random thoughts and questions.
1. wouldnt keeping with GAC and getting paid that million dollars be worth it? you could add that million into the contestant winnings. to me a million would go a heck of a lot further than paying for tv broadcast.
2. think of your vendors. without them you will not get quite the crowd. people LOVE shopping especially at holiday time. moving the location to a more expensive location to get to, stay at etc is hurting your vendors. It will effect them harshly, they too are trying to make a hard earned dollar, while supporting our sport!! and many of them help our NFR competitors get down the road! Talk about biting the hand that helps feed you.
3. Going back to my goal of someday even just getting to go watch it in person, the cost of going to flordia in december is out of reach for many people. Our sport is now going to be priceing people out of going. Just like the NFL many do not go because its too expensive! look at the ticket prices to a foot ball game. INSANE. without people $$$ will not be made. this effects every aspect of the NFR.
4. NFR in flordia, high cost of hotels and food, traffic, and many would rather not attend disney world. Im not going there to see a mouse on that trip im going to see the NFR and the experience of cowboy christas not mouse christmas lol.
5. ok now take this one with a grain of salt, dont flame me. i realize the competitors spend vast amounts of money getting down the road. Most of them have mulitiple sponsors. That does help off set the costs. Many are million dollar cowboys, they have made over a million dollars. Im sorry but some of these competitiors comments are comming off as pretty greedy. They make dang good money even just for a round win. (granted i dont blame them for wanting more, we all want more) and look at the other pay offs the NFR pays, the brand new truck, the averages, best dressed, etc. there is a LOT of money handed out over 10 rounds! lets be honest here how many times have any one of us made that kind of cash in under a minute in the arena? I see a lot of this as greed, not just from some competitors comments but also on the part of the PRCA. You can not honestly tell me any one of them is starveing to death not able to put food on the table.
6. something stinks in denmark, PRCA i feel is burning some major bridges that will cause a huge dent in our sport. The trickle down effect will hit everyone. i have a feeling this is catering to one persons wants and not the needs of the sport as a whole.
i guess at this point all we can do is see how it plays out, but it makes me sick watching as its destroyed piece by greedy piece I'm not sure you've really got a 'feel' for what it costs to go down the road. Most of the competitors that make the finals are either in the hole or breaking even when they get there. The NFR is the time they make some money for the year. It kinda boggles my mind that you think they are being 'greedy' for wanting the payout to increase. Good grief, these are the elite of our sport. Why should they not make more money? Look at what rodeo pays out in comparison to any other professional sport. There is no retirement plan, they don't get paid if they don't win. I don't understand how anyone that is really a fan of rodeo could possibly not want the best for the competitors.
I've been to Vegas during the finals many times. You haven't spent the money to go to Vegas, why complain that now you won't be able to afford to go (you weren't going to begin with)? The tickets at the T&M are not cheap. It's expensive to even sit in the nosebleed section IF you can get tickets in the first place.
If the NFR moves, the cowboy christmas will follow. There's nothing about it that is Vegas specific. It's just a great big room full of tons of vendors.
Everyone has their panties in a wad... OMG the finals won't be the same if not in Vegas. Same bullchit crap that went on when it moved from OKC. Change is occasionally needed to better the sport. NO one has said the NFR is moving to FL or that it is leaving Vegas. The PRCA turned down the initial offer from Vegas and is accepting bids from other venues. IMO Vegas low balled their first offer because they expected the cowboys to rollover and accept it. In business that's a very novice move. The NFR brings more revenue to Vegas than any other event. Why not be mad at the committee that put together a low ball offer instead of saying the cowboys are greedy? They will make another offer, they aren't going to let the NFR go that easily.
(The Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Board of Directors voted Dec. 15 to reject the terms of the current financial offer from Las Vegas Events to extend the WNFR contract past 2014. The PRCA Board did not vote to leave Las Vegas; the vote was made strictly on the content of the current offer. The PRCA continues to carefully consider offers from all potential WNFR hosts.)
Most sponsors are simply products, on the ones that do get some $$$, it's not enough to make a dent in the fuel bill. Some companies will give a bonus for making the NFR....but again, it's not much in comparison to what is spent. In relation the number of competitors, there are few that have passed the million dollar mark. Would you come on here and say a football player or baseball player is a sorry greedy sob for making a million?
I'm not flaming you...but you've got a very uneducated view about what it takes for a competitor to get to Vegas. Before you go to bashing the cowboys and calling them greedy, make sure you have the full picture.
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| After winning the world one year, Kristie Peterson made the comment she didn't even have enough money left to buy herself a new dress to wear to the NFR awards presentation. Things in the PRCA/WPRA have not changed much in 20 years. I agree with those commenting that even the top cowboys are probably more close to broke, than doing financially well. Those nice rigs they drive are often much nicer than the homes they live in, unless daddy, husband, or some other PERSON is footing the bill. Sponsorships just help soften the major expenses in going down the road. Just the gasoline bills these contestants have to pay would put most people into bankruptcy. I honestly can't understand how rodeo has survived this long. Contestants are putting themselves in financial jeopardy when they make the commitment to really haul. I don't know if ANYONE really prospers significantly from professional rodeo. It's just a lifestyle that many won't give up, and the PRCA is doing what they can to keep their heads above water in tough financial times. I have to agree that the contestants are NOT being greedy. They are trying to survive! The PRCA MUST increase the $$$$ into the contestants pockets if it is available. I'm afraid that may be the problem. Rodeo is not that marketable in the large scheme of things. But time will tell, it always does... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | bingo - 2014-01-02 11:15 AM PRCA is doing what they can to keep their heads above water in tough financial times. I would like to address this statement.....If you think the PRCA is doing everything it can to put money in the contestant's pockets then why are they p*ffing off and losing many BIG money rodeos?
AND back to the premise of THIS thread (regardless of where they hold the Finals)....turning down ONE MILLION $$$ to PAY for TV coverage......PRCA isn't just about the Top 15 either.....they need to work for bigger payouts ALL year long....
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Location: The edge of no where | NJJ - 2014-01-02 11:51 AM bingo - 2014-01-02 11:15 AM PRCA is doing what they can to keep their heads above water in tough financial times. I would like to address this statement.....If you think the PRCA is doing everything it can to put money in the contestant's pockets then why are they p*ffing off and losing many BIG money rodeos?
AND back to the premise of THIS thread (regardless of where they hold the Finals)....turning down ONE MILLION $$$ to PAY for TV coverage......PRCA isn't just about the Top 15 either.....they need to work for bigger payouts ALL year long....
I don't get the deal with RFDTV, somehow I think there is more to the story than we're hearing. I would love to see if on RFD, thought GAC did an excellent job.. Paying CBS sports makes me cringe. There's got to be more to it.
Correct me if I'm wrong..but I'm pretty sure that the local rodeo committees are in charge of raising funds for added money at most of the rodeos. It's a tough job. |
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Location: North Dakota | I liked the NFR being on GAC, it just fits the industry better! It is business in the end though! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | bocephus's mama - 2014-01-02 8:25 AM Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 8:08 PM I would say that non horse people wear more Wrangler clothing then do horse people. I know our western store in town quit carrying Wranglers because Walmart and Academy carry them and they can't compete with their prices. I see more of our younger clients that are wearing Cinch jeans and seems that the older generation of cowboy's wear Wranglers. Just an observation. Do you live in a rural area? I don't. I don't see Wranglers outside the horse community EVER.
We live 45 miles NW of San Antonio. You can find Wranglers at all the Western Stores and Academy Stores. I don't shop at much of the other stores. The VF Factory Outlet, not far out of Austin, carries all kinds of Wrangler brand clothes. |
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