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| It always amazes me that people will respond with what they want others to believe is fact, when in fact, it is total horse manure. Tony Garritano was never a part of the Gretna project. Charmayne James was asked to speak on behalf of the Gretna project and she did so because it was a benefit for barrel racers. What was not being told (by the horse racing industry in Florida is by state law a certain percentage of all gaming revenues (set by the state) have to go into the purse of the horse racing operation. The other racing associations didn't want future monies to go to barrel racing or any other racing association except their own. (It's was just greed on their part). The Gretna project was an opportunity for Florida barrel racers to run for more money than they have ever before. And had it not been quashed by political pundits influenced by the horse racing industry, overtime the purse money would have topped 7 figures a year. How many barrel racers are running for that type of purse now?
As for ERA, I personally think its a great idea, especially for the fan of barrel racing and rodeo, of which I am one and a new one at that. And speaking from a fans point of view, it quite difficult to follow your favorite barrel racer or for that matter even your favorite newcomer with the current system. A major league type of organization, gives the entire industry...ORGANIZATION and that seems to be lacking in the current system. It is beyond me that someone starting out would be anything but thrilled to strive towards making it to the major leagues, the NBA, the NFL or the ERA!
Of course, there are those who will always resist change, even when it is for their on good (Gretna is a great example). I think it was Harold Wilson who said, "He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects change is the cemetery." | |
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The beauty and attraction of Rodeo (at least for me) is that, no matter WHO you are, if you can run faster, catch quicker, ride better than your competition, you can win. Like someone else said, if it wasn't for us peons trying to climb the ladder of competition, the payoffs wouldn't be nearly so big.
I'd be curious to see if those who think that this is a good idea....do you also like the Divisional barrel races where "everyone gets a prize"?
I would have no issues with a tour of the "elite" as long as the prize money doesn't count towards the NFR, and yes I realize that the money from the ERA would not. The problem that I see for the rank and file is that this is only going to fracture rodeo even further, and the money available for sponsorships, added money and event productions is going to be split even further. If this is successful, then there will be even less money available for local and regional rodeos.
Yes, I admit that I am resistant to change. Yes I recognize that the PBR was wildly successful because they recognize that they are competing with other ENTERTAINMENT venues like the Ice Capades and Monster Truck rallies, but I also recognize that the opportunities for ME to rodeo have dwindled with advent of Bull riding only events and elite tour rodeos. So this will great for the "elite" but not so good for the rest of us. | |
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Location: North Dakota | Webby - 2015-02-19 4:38 PM It always amazes me that people will respond with what they want others to believe is fact, when in fact, it is total horse manure. Tony Garritano was never a part of the Gretna project. Charmayne James was asked to speak on behalf of the Gretna project and she did so because it was a benefit for barrel racers. What was not being told (by the horse racing industry in Florida is by state law a certain percentage of all gaming revenues (set by the state) have to go into the purse of the horse racing operation. The other racing associations didn't want future monies to go to barrel racing or any other racing association except their own. (It's was just greed on their part). The Gretna project was an opportunity for Florida barrel racers to run for more money than they have ever before. And had it not been quashed by political pundits influenced by the horse racing industry, overtime the purse money would have topped 7 figures a year. How many barrel racers are running for that type of purse now? As for ERA, I personally think its a great idea, especially for the fan of barrel racing and rodeo, of which I am one and a new one at that. And speaking from a fans point of view, it quite difficult to follow your favorite barrel racer or for that matter even your favorite newcomer with the current system. A major league type of organization, gives the entire industry...ORGANIZATION and that seems to be lacking in the current system. It is beyond me that someone starting out would be anything but thrilled to strive towards making it to the major leagues, the NBA, the NFL or the ERA! Of course, there are those who will always resist change, even when it is for their on good (Gretna is a great example). I think it was Harold Wilson who said, "He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects change is the cemetery."
The very first time I read about the ERA I did not like the sound of it. To think the "elite" were starting their own association kind of just gave me a bad taste in my mouth BUT the more I thought about it especially after reading this article....
https://alexisbloomer.wordpress.com/2015/02/18/why-rodeo-is-one-of-the-most-marketable-sports-but-still-not-mainstream/
After reading that article I started to think about WHY isn't rodeo more mainstream and marketed more? Then I began to think about how difficult it is to follow rodeo and the athletes. So many rodeos scattered all over the country every weekend unlike NASCAR, NBA, and NFL which have either one or only a couple games going on at a time. Also the top contestants in rodeo are constantly changing unlike in other sports where they are there for years because of contracts, sponsorships, teams, etc. so people are able to get to know them, follow them, and become a fan. If you think about it rodeo is more of a jumbled mess to the outside viewer than the bigger, mainstream and more organized sports. I think the ERA is a way of making rodeo more audience friendly which in the long run will help the whole world of rodeo. I don't feel it is them trying to distinguish themselves as the best of the best but a way to give the audience what they want and in turn getting rodeo more mainstream attention.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Are they going to use the WPRA and the PRCA as a minor league to fill in the spots when the original Elite can no longer compete? What happens when an Elite barrel racer no longer has that A game horse to compete on? Do they tell her you now suck and are no longer an Elite and replace her?
The PBR worked because it was already a fan favorite and could easily stand alone unlike any of the other events. I can see the Elite working as a group but there are so many variables that will be tough to keep going. A bronc rider and a bull rider just needs their equipment to go down the road. The other events involve a horse and when you don't have a good horse it doesn't matter who your are...you can't be a winner riding a jackass. | |
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Location: North Dakota | Nevertooold - 2015-02-20 11:00 AM Are they going to use the WPRA and the PRCA as a minor league to fill in the spots when the original Elite can no longer compete? What happens when an Elite barrel racer no longer has that A game horse to compete on? Do they tell her you now suck and are no longer an Elite and replace her?
The PBR worked because it was already a fan favorite and could easily stand alone unlike any of the other events. I can see the Elite working as a group but there are so many variables that will be tough to keep going. A bronc rider and a bull rider just needs their equipment to go down the road. The other events involve a horse and when you don't have a good horse it doesn't matter who your are...you can't be a winner riding a jackass.
Yeah I would really like to know more specifics on how they plan to keep those top 15 "elite". I think it is cool that they are trying something new. I think it will be fun to see how it all plays out. But we all know some of those tops riders seem to have a slew of horses backing them up or people that will gladly lease them a horse to finish a season on. | |
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| Just Bring It - 2015-02-20 11:11 AM
Nevertooold - 2015-02-20 11:00 AM Are they going to use the WPRA and the PRCA as a minor league to fill in the spots when the original Elite can no longer compete? What happens when an Elite barrel racer no longer has that A game horse to compete on? Do they tell her you now suck and are no longer an Elite and replace her?
The PBR worked because it was already a fan favorite and could easily stand alone unlike any of the other events. I can see the Elite working as a group but there are so many variables that will be tough to keep going. A bronc rider and a bull rider just needs their equipment to go down the road. The other events involve a horse and when you don't have a good horse it doesn't matter who your are...you can't be a winner riding a jackass.
Yeah I would really like to know more specifics on how they plan to keep those top 15 "elite". I think it is cool that they are trying something new. I think it will be fun to see how it all plays out. But we all know some of those tops riders seem to have a slew of horses backing them up or people that will gladly lease them a horse to finish a season on.
So even Fallon Taylor hits a barrel, and sometimes Tuff draws a bad calf, right? So I pay $50 or $75 for my ticket, and it ends up not being the best rodeo even if they're elite.
PBR didn't just say the best bull riders could come ride, they said, come ride bulls with us, that's the difference here. Everyone of these folks that are now elite were once just an up and comer. We get the see them every year as they work hard all year to go to a rodeo and out ride, out rope, out perform the Elites, to me that's the excitement of rodeo.
I wish no ill will, it just sounds more like an ego stroke than something to keep the next Charmayne or Cort Scheer from coming along...jmho. | |
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This isn't going to change local rodeo at all. Just like NASCAR didn't change the ammy dirt track and asphalt racing, the PBR didn't change local bull riding, etc. If anything it made those events more popular. Take the NFL or the NBA for example... There are still a ton of people playing league ball and at sometime in their life every little kid out there wants to be a professional sports player, lol.
The guys that play professional sports don't always do good either, they have off seasons. It will be the same way in rodeo. I personally hope that they do something like a challenger series so that we all get an opportunity to be able to work our way up to compete at the big events. I would love the opportunity to run for that kind of money without having to go to 100 rodeos all over the country. If a backyard trainer like me can have an opportunity like that it would be awesome. No matter what though, you still have to be able to compete and win to get there. There won't be any handouts I'm sure. I'm excited to see where this goes, and I hope they don't take too long because I'm not getting any younger! ;)
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Location: North Dakota | chicks2 - 2015-02-20 11:26 AM Just Bring It - 2015-02-20 11:11 AM Nevertooold - 2015-02-20 11:00 AM Are they going to use the WPRA and the PRCA as a minor league to fill in the spots when the original Elite can no longer compete? What happens when an Elite barrel racer no longer has that A game horse to compete on? Do they tell her you now suck and are no longer an Elite and replace her?
The PBR worked because it was already a fan favorite and could easily stand alone unlike any of the other events. I can see the Elite working as a group but there are so many variables that will be tough to keep going. A bronc rider and a bull rider just needs their equipment to go down the road. The other events involve a horse and when you don't have a good horse it doesn't matter who your are...you can't be a winner riding a jackass. Yeah I would really like to know more specifics on how they plan to keep those top 15 "elite". I think it is cool that they are trying something new. I think it will be fun to see how it all plays out. But we all know some of those tops riders seem to have a slew of horses backing them up or people that will gladly lease them a horse to finish a season on. So even Fallon Taylor hits a barrel, and sometimes Tuff draws a bad calf, right? So I pay $50 or $75 for my ticket, and it ends up not being the best rodeo even if they're elite. PBR didn't just say the best bull riders could come ride, they said, come ride bulls with us, that's the difference here. Everyone of these folks that are now elite were once just an up and comer. We get the see them every year as they work hard all year to go to a rodeo and out ride, out rope, out perform the Elites, to me that's the excitement of rodeo. I wish no ill will, it just sounds more like an ego stroke than something to keep the next Charmayne or Cort Scheer from coming along...jmho.
Of course! Everyone has a bad day just like the pros in NBA and the NFL. But their fans still love them through their ups and downs, wins and losses. The little guy CAN still work their way to the top. Work hard enough and you too can become an elite just like those that go on to play pro ball. They are not replacing the PRCA but forming a new association that is different. Not just anyone can compete in the PBR against the best of the best. You have to work your way to that level. I don't know the specifics on how they will continue to choose the top 15 so like I said it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. If they plan on working on conjunction with the PRCA and using their standings? Or how they will "draft" people to be considered "elite". | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Just Bring It - 2015-02-20 11:45 AM chicks2 - 2015-02-20 11:26 AM Just Bring It - 2015-02-20 11:11 AM Nevertooold - 2015-02-20 11:00 AM Are they going to use the WPRA and the PRCA as a minor league to fill in the spots when the original Elite can no longer compete? What happens when an Elite barrel racer no longer has that A game horse to compete on? Do they tell her you now suck and are no longer an Elite and replace her?
The PBR worked because it was already a fan favorite and could easily stand alone unlike any of the other events. I can see the Elite working as a group but there are so many variables that will be tough to keep going. A bronc rider and a bull rider just needs their equipment to go down the road. The other events involve a horse and when you don't have a good horse it doesn't matter who your are...you can't be a winner riding a jackass. Yeah I would really like to know more specifics on how they plan to keep those top 15 "elite". I think it is cool that they are trying something new. I think it will be fun to see how it all plays out. But we all know some of those tops riders seem to have a slew of horses backing them up or people that will gladly lease them a horse to finish a season on. So even Fallon Taylor hits a barrel, and sometimes Tuff draws a bad calf, right? So I pay $50 or $75 for my ticket, and it ends up not being the best rodeo even if they're elite. PBR didn't just say the best bull riders could come ride, they said, come ride bulls with us, that's the difference here. Everyone of these folks that are now elite were once just an up and comer. We get the see them every year as they work hard all year to go to a rodeo and out ride, out rope, out perform the Elites, to me that's the excitement of rodeo. I wish no ill will, it just sounds more like an ego stroke than something to keep the next Charmayne or Cort Scheer from coming along...jmho.
I mentioned this before.....The same grumblings were thrown out there when the PBR started that it would kill the amateur and PRCA rodeos, blah, blah, blah.....but it didn't. It actually brought more spectators to a rodeo event. I would venture to say that most of the spectators at the very BIG rodeos go to see the "big name contestants" that they have heard or read about. They are the contestants that the rodeos promote to GET spectators to come. Additionally, the PRCA tried to take the direction of the "association" away from the contestants and p*ffed off MANY......they deserve what they get.
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| Webby - 2015-02-19 3:38 PM
It always amazes me that people will respond with what they want others to believe is fact, when in fact, it is total horse manure. Tony Garritano was never a part of the Gretna project. Charmayne James was asked to speak on behalf of the Gretna project and she did so because it was a benefit for barrel racers. What was not being told (by the horse racing industry in Florida is by state law a certain percentage of all gaming revenues (set by the state) have to go into the purse of the horse racing operation. The other racing associations didn't want future monies to go to barrel racing or any other racing association except their own. (It's was just greed on their part). The Gretna project was an opportunity for Florida barrel racers to run for more money than they have ever before. And had it not been quashed by political pundits influenced by the horse racing industry, overtime the purse money would have topped 7 figures a year. How many barrel racers are running for that type of purse now?
As for ERA, I personally think its a great idea, especially for the fan of barrel racing and rodeo, of which I am one and a new one at that. And speaking from a fans point of view, it quite difficult to follow your favorite barrel racer or for that matter even your favorite newcomer with the current system. A major league type of organization, gives the entire industry...ORGANIZATION and that seems to be lacking in the current system. It is beyond me that someone starting out would be anything but thrilled to strive towards making it to the major leagues, the NBA, the NFL or the ERA!
Of course, there are those who will always resist change, even when it is for their on good (Gretna is a great example). I think it was Harold Wilson who said, "He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects change is the cemetery."
You seem to be a little confused on some of this. I said at the very beginning of the Gretna deal that the barrel racers were slitting their own throat by not following theproper cchannels to get approval. Why on earth would you agree to letting the people running the gambling represent you? They clearly didn't care about the barrel racers or the whole thing would have been handled a lot differently. Gretna and their lawyers were fully aware of what would happen. They were hoping they would have had enough races that they could use other loop holes to keep the card rooms open when the barrel racers got the boot. The barrel racers saw dollar signs without realizing that they could have had a hell of a lot more if they would have bid their time and followed the law instead of jumping through a loop hole for a short term payout. | |
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| Just Bring It - 2015-02-20 10:52 AM Webby - 2015-02-19 4:38 PM It always amazes me that people will respond with what they want others to believe is fact, when in fact, it is total horse manure. Tony Garritano was never a part of the Gretna project. Charmayne James was asked to speak on behalf of the Gretna project and she did so because it was a benefit for barrel racers. What was not being told (by the horse racing industry in Florida is by state law a certain percentage of all gaming revenues (set by the state) have to go into the purse of the horse racing operation. The other racing associations didn't want future monies to go to barrel racing or any other racing association except their own. (It's was just greed on their part). The Gretna project was an opportunity for Florida barrel racers to run for more money than they have ever before. And had it not been quashed by political pundits influenced by the horse racing industry, overtime the purse money would have topped 7 figures a year. How many barrel racers are running for that type of purse now? As for ERA, I personally think its a great idea, especially for the fan of barrel racing and rodeo, of which I am one and a new one at that. And speaking from a fans point of view, it quite difficult to follow your favorite barrel racer or for that matter even your favorite newcomer with the current system. A major league type of organization, gives the entire industry...ORGANIZATION and that seems to be lacking in the current system. It is beyond me that someone starting out would be anything but thrilled to strive towards making it to the major leagues, the NBA, the NFL or the ERA! Of course, there are those who will always resist change, even when it is for their on good (Gretna is a great example). I think it was Harold Wilson who said, "He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects change is the cemetery." The very first time I read about the ERA I did not like the sound of it. To think the "elite" were starting their own association kind of just gave me a bad taste in my mouth BUT the more I thought about it especially after reading this article....
https://alexisbloomer.wordpress.com/2015/02/18/why-rodeo-is-one-of-the-most-marketable-sports-but-still-not-mainstream/
After reading that article I started to think about WHY isn't rodeo more mainstream and marketed more? Then I began to think about how difficult it is to follow rodeo and the athletes. So many rodeos scattered all over the country every weekend unlike NASCAR, NBA, and NFL which have either one or only a couple games going on at a time. Also the top contestants in rodeo are constantly changing unlike in other sports where they are there for years because of contracts, sponsorships, teams, etc. so people are able to get to know them, follow them, and become a fan. If you think about it rodeo is more of a jumbled mess to the outside viewer than the bigger, mainstream and more organized sports. I think the ERA is a way of making rodeo more audience friendly which in the long run will help the whole world of rodeo. I don't feel it is them trying to distinguish themselves as the best of the best but a way to give the audience what they want and in turn getting rodeo more mainstream attention.
The PBR is very popular, but not as popular as NASCAR or Major League Baseball. It is not for everyone. Heck, even NASCAR is sometimes used as a derogitory term. I had a co-worker describe a person as "too NASCAR" for her as though the other person was less sophisticated.
In the PBR, people enjoy the wrecks and the great rides. It's one event. Rodeo is multiple events. Football is one event. Baseball is one event. That also makes a difference to the viewer. People are tuning in to watch a single, favorite event, not multiple events. I hope it works for the ERA.
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| To those who say that things like the PBR did not hurt local rodeo, in our area that is NOT the case. An overload of bull riding sprung up, replacing full rodeos in many instances. They can book events more cheaply than full rodeos as they don't have to haul livestock for ALL events and provide added money for 6 events or more. So many committees and fairboards book the less expensive event regardless of production value.
Therefore there are fewer rodeos to compete at and many committees come away from such events with a bad taste fro rodeo in general.
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| rodeoveteran - 2015-02-21 2:47 PM To those who say that things like the PBR did not hurt local rodeo, in our area that is NOT the case. An overload of bull riding sprung up, replacing full rodeos in many instances. They can book events more cheaply than full rodeos as they don't have to haul livestock for ALL events and provide added money for 6 events or more. So many committees and fairboards book the less expensive event regardless of production value. Therefore there are fewer rodeos to compete at and many committees come away from such events with a bad taste fro rodeo in general. The single bull riding events usually draw as big of a crowd if not a bigger crowd than a full rodeo too. It's easier money to be made all the way around really. The PBR events are pretty pricey, but I guess those fans will pay that price. The smaller bull riding events aren't quite so expensive and draw a big crowd if advertised.
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Location: OK | I love to pick a horse or girl who is just coming up and watch them, keep up with them and how they are progressing. I've always loved it. For this reason, I wouldn't be as excited to watch the top as I am to just go see a pro rodeo. The mix of somebodies and nobodies is what draws me. It's so cool to see a team moving up. | |
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Location: OK | I love to pick a horse or girl who is just coming up and watch them, keep up with them and how they are progressing. I've always loved it. For this reason, I wouldn't be as excited to watch the top as I am to just go see a pro rodeo. The mix of somebodies and nobodies is what draws me. It's so cool to see a team moving up. | |
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