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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I wanted to apologize for being a name caller to this women that left her horse standing in a two horse trailer for all those hours out in the parking lot by its self, I just feel bad for the horse standing there in a box, but some peoples way of thinking is that its just a dumb animal no worriers. I'm just a softie and it justs makes me mad to think someone would do that, I have haul long periods of time to but I would stop and unload and offer water at some point into the trip, but to think a horse in that box for all those hours just sitting there not moving, uggg thats just cruel in my books..
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | south I feel same way .. to me its just lazy or neglectful and I think its wrong.. a few hours is one thing.. 9 is another.. while shes inside working.. |
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| I have to grin at all the drama ..
Horses 3 and older can lock their knees and sleep standing up as working teams and
US Cavalry horses did for centuries in stand alone stalls ..
The possibility of a lack of water is my only concern ...
As a helpful friend of the horse and finding out the horse was in the trailer at a
morning meeting .. I would have found the girl and suggested taking the horse
to my barn 3 miles away at lunch break before some nosy busy body got her in
trouble for bringing a "pet" to work ...
How many ads and brag posts have you read that states a weanling to an old horse
can stand on concrete in the hot sun all day long and never pull back while
attending a barrel race??
and no one said anything .... lol
Same way with calling the overbearing GOTCHA police forces we have today ...
knowing anything can be misconstrued as animal abuse by someone in uniform
and get a felony charge put on someone and ruining their lives is the last thing
I would do.
I would tend to discuss it with the person, then threaten the person, then beat
the crap out of the person and then if things did not change consider calling their
parents or spouse and then calling the cops to keep spouse or family from beating
the crap out of me ... lol
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2016-01-10 9:55 PM
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | People at events offer water .. I guess some people do this . it doesnt mean its right or good for the horse.. No water to me is neglect. but some I guess think of a horse as livestock and dont really take anything else into consideration.. so we can all feel differantly about this.. |
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 How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | Unless there are some kind of extenuating circumstances no it's not okay. If she does it again just question her reasoning and if it's for convenience just explain why it's not a good thing to do and someone will probably report her and she will get in trouble. Problem solved.
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | I havent read all the posts but do you know it had no water? For sure, or your assumming?
I live in South Florida...it's hot most of the year, yet we have been to more than one all day shows that were 12 to 15 hours long. The horses are tied to the trailer or our 1 horse stands in the trailer the whole time, except for warm up and run. SHE LOVES IT.
She hates to be tied to the trailer, but loves standing in it. But I don't see a lot of difference really. . .
Water is the only issue and from what I read, you don't know weather or not it had water. I guess I kind of think it's not really any ones business. Cowboys here have to leave them on the trailer for much longer than that sometimes...
As far as driving home to get the horse, and back in the other direction, Some weeks fuel is that big a deal for me. Doing the best you can is just that sometimes. 20 - 30 min away, back home. . . then another 30 min to an arena can be a lot of fuel for some of us.
I'm not totally clear on when you said "I've been known to do that" how it's different for someone else to do it. Maybe I mis understood. If it is the same, the reason for it doesn't matter I would not think.
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | I love when the stories change. |
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| Swannranch - 2016-01-10 10:47 PM
I havent read all the posts but do you know it had no water? For sure, or your assumming?
I live in South Florida...it's hot most of the year, yet we have been to more than one all day shows that were 12 to 15 hours long. The horses are tied to the trailer or our 1 horse stands in the trailer the whole time, except for warm up and run. SHE LOVES IT.
She hates to be tied to the trailer, but loves standing in it. But I don't see a lot of difference really. . .
Water is the only issue and from what I read, you don't know weather or not it had water. I guess I kind of think it's not really any ones business. Cowboys here have to leave them on the trailer for much longer than that sometimes...
As far as driving home to get the horse, and back in the other direction, Some weeks fuel is that big a deal for me. Doing the best you can is just that sometimes. 20 - 30 min away, back home. . . then another 30 min to an arena can be a lot of fuel for some of us.
I'm not totally clear on when you said "I've been known to do that" how it's different for someone else to do it. Maybe I mis understood. If it is the same, the reason for it doesn't matter I would not think.
OP did not see the horse in the trailer. Someone told her the next day. This is my rule of thumb in this type of situation. Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. I have found this lowers my blood pressure better than anything.
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How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-01-10 7:52 PM IHow many ads and brag posts have you read that states a weanling to an old horse can stand on concrete in the hot sun all day long and never pull back while attending a barrel race?? and no one said anything .... lol Who stands a weanling (or any horse) on concrete all day in the hot sun and brags about it? The ridiculousness astounds me. Talk about drama mongering, your post reeks of it.
Edited by crapshooter 2016-01-10 11:05 PM
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | streakysox - 2016-01-10 11:58 PM Swannranch - 2016-01-10 10:47 PM I havent read all the posts but do you know it had no water? For sure, or your assumming?
I live in South Florida...it's hot most of the year, yet we have been to more than one all day shows that were 12 to 15 hours long. The horses are tied to the trailer or our 1 horse stands in the trailer the whole time, except for warm up and run. SHE LOVES IT.
She hates to be tied to the trailer, but loves standing in it. But I don't see a lot of difference really. . .
Water is the only issue and from what I read, you don't know weather or not it had water. I guess I kind of think it's not really any ones business. Cowboys here have to leave them on the trailer for much longer than that sometimes...
As far as driving home to get the horse, and back in the other direction, Some weeks fuel is that big a deal for me. Doing the best you can is just that sometimes. 20 - 30 min away, back home. . . then another 30 min to an arena can be a lot of fuel for some of us.
I'm not totally clear on when you said "I've been known to do that" how it's different for someone else to do it. Maybe I mis understood. If it is the same, the reason for it doesn't matter I would not think.
OP did not see the horse in the trailer. Someone told her the next day. This is my rule of thumb in this type of situation. Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. I have found this lowers my blood pressure better than anything.
No actually I assumed since she said the girl never once went out to check horse but Now I see she didnt even witness it it was second hand story so Im out..I guess when someone posts they saw this I add my 2 cents.. and think they mean first hand.. not leave out parts.. .. my bad.. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Swannranch - 2016-01-10 11:55 PM I love when the stories change.
Happens alot on here and if you dont double check you get pulled into..  |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Instead of an "off-topic" button on BHW, maybe they should include this.......sorry......couldn't help myself after reading several threads this morning.......LOL
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Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2016-01-09 9:48 AM Kry5ta1 - 2016-01-09 3:14 AM I suppose I am not sure how this is different from leaving your horse trailered overnight or for long hauls? Is it an ideal scenario? No. Would I burn her over the Internet for it? No. ^^^^ THIS....GASP ! ! At rodeos, we have had to throw horses in the trailer, for the night, if a storm came up or to drive all night to the next one....Was this a "smart" thing for this young lady to do? Well, no....BUT, if you were concerned, WHY didn't you ask her about the situation THAT day? And I certainly wouldn't call any authorities until you have spoken to her......
I will agree.....when I've driven over 3-4 hours to a rodeo....I open all the slants, hang a bucket of water and hay bag and my horse stays in the trailer overnight......same if I were to haul for long periods of a time...get out walk, back in the trailer and on the road. |
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| We got stranded in Arizona and the horses had to stay on the trailer for over 24hrs... They were fine, We haul 12 hours before we unload horses when traveling and they are great when we get where we are going. I leave them on the trailer overnight at rodeos and races and they are again always happy and healthy! We go hunting and theyll stand on a picket line for a week(this is a little different because they can lay down but they still stand there 80% of the time, thats a lot of hours) Growing up our horses got fed, saddled, and loaded in a trailer, they were either in the trailer or checking cattle. We'd unload them at dark.
This post is ridiculous!!
The OP didn't see the horse in the trailer, didn't SEE if it had water, didn't SEE the girl never let the horse out, didn't even KNOW about it until the next day(supposedly)! What does the OP know? A rumor!
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| Haven't you guys ever seen tie stalls? Even Clinton Anderson advocates them and when I'm finally able to build my own barn I will be putting some in. Like BARRELHORSEUSA said above, teams and cavalry horses used them for centuries. And there are a bajillion other reasons they are useful.
I have left mine in the trailer for extended periods of time for different reasons. Always had a bucket of water in there and feed. That'd be my only issue with this, but then again it wouldn't be any of my business. In fact, I have an old rodeo horse that dumps his bucket after he's done drinking when tied at the trailer. I've had the same person water him two years in a row because they don't think we do. In reality, it's the horses habit and what if I had his water pulled for a reason like Lasix or something. They need to mind their own effing business.
One year we had an ice storm and all 7 slept in our trailers for 2 or 3 nights in a row. They had ice a half inch thick and were literally freezing. They were in there for 8 or so hours each night. They lived.
Also had a really nice arab my daughter rode when she was little. He gamed and was a lovely trail horse. Was perfect with the kids, etc. However, when tied, he would throw himself down and hang there until we cut him loose. Many times he did this and it just wasn't safe. And because I had no tie stalls to put him in to fix the problem, he lived tied in the trailer for several days. It was spring so mild weather, not hot nor cold and he had food/water 24/7. We got him out and rode him each day to strict his legs. But he was forced to stand tied and couldn't pull back if he tried, obviously because their wasn't room. He also lived.
And before you flame away, realize we were the last chance for this horse. He was unsafe around children when tied and we would have canned him due to this. He was given to us for free cause a string of owners could fix some of his issues. Arabs have ZERO value around here. It fixed the problem and he never pulled back again until the day he died.
The point of my novel, is that if people need to mind their own business. You don't have to like someone's habits or methods and it's really none of your business. If the horse is in good weight and healthy, cops can't and won't and SHOULDN'T do jack about it. Not their business either. Obvious caveat being visible abuse. And leaving one in the trailer longer than you think is appropriate does not constitute abuse.
Flame suit on and up....
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | I really only posted, because I get really tired of people worrying so much about how "other" people do stuff. Yes, there is true abuse in animals, but some things are just fine...just different.
As far as the original post...I'm sure if you really wanted to, you could "google" or "bing" any articles you want. For the most part...you can find an article to say anything you want it to say. Blanket...Don't Blanket, Mineral, No Supplements...ton's of supplements, shoes, no shoes...Clip, don't clip.
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Location: Oakdale, CA | I just think we the people need to worry more about what concerns us! this is still a free country |
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Location: So Cal | If the horse had water and the trailer was ventilated (i.e. it wasn't 110 degrees with the horse dripping sweat), honestly I don't see a problem... My horse has been tied or left in a trailer for extended period of time many times. She had a patience problem and that's how she learned to get over it! It's easier on a horse to stand in a parked trailer for that long than in a trailer going down the road, but people regularly drive that long without taking the horse out. |
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