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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I’m sorry about the wisecrack regarding your purchase of a magnawave. Shame on me.
This thread caught my attention because of the title.
So you have a horse who suffered a pelvic fracture and a sacroiliac injury (presumably in addition to the pelvic fracture), but you didn’t reveal that until very late in the thread. All I knew was he was injured, requiring him to be confined for two years. All this seemingly complicated by Vit E deficiency. Telling us the nature of the injury (pelvic fracture) requiring confinement for two years would have been useful to anyone interested in giving advice.
Had I known you bought this $10,000-20,000 (or whatever) piece of machinery because of the pelvic fracture, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.....even though I think they are of limited benefit.
As it turns out, it doesn’t sound like it helped very much.
So now you are 2 years following a horrible injury to a horse you very much love, and the disappointments seem to just keep coming.
At this point, what do you consider a realistic goal? What have the vets told you about prognosis?
There’s a lot to learn here.....at least I hope so.
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| Bear - 2018-05-30 10:42 PMI’m sorry about the wisecrack regarding your purchase of a magnawave. Shame on me.This thread caught my attention because of the title. So you have a horse who suffered a pelvic fracture and a sacroiliac injury (presumably in addition to the pelvic fracture), but you didn’t reveal that until very late in the thread. All I knew was he was injured, requiring him to be confined for two years. All this seemingly complicated by Vit E deficiency. Telling us the nature of the injury (pelvic fracture) requiring confinement for two years would have been useful to anyone interested in giving advice.Had I known you bought this $10,000-20,000 (or whatever) piece of machinery because of the pelvic fracture, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.....even though I think they are of limited benefit.As it turns out, it doesn’t sound like it helped very much. So now you are 2 years following a horrible injury to a horse you very much love, and the disappointments seem to just keep coming.At this point, what do you consider a realistic goal? What have the vets told you about prognosis?There’s a lot to learn here.....at least I hope so. Why do you care? Your responses are so arrogant. I've spent an embarrassing amount on this horse in vet bills but she has also won me it when she is healthy. It's no one's business but mine. I don't have any reason to continue to talk to you. Your continuing response is strictly about one comment about me having a flipping magnawave making me out to be one of those people that think it was a miracle machine... I never said that. Please move along and stop worrying about what I do with my horse or if I spent a large amount of money.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-30 10:57 PM
Bear - 2018-05-30 10:42 PMI’m sorry about the wisecrack regarding your purchase of a magnawave. Shame on me.This thread caught my attention because of the title. So you have a horse who suffered a pelvic fracture and a sacroiliac injury (presumably in addition to the pelvic fracture), but you didn’t reveal that until very late in the thread. All I knew was he was injured, requiring him to be confined for two years. All this seemingly complicated by Vit E deficiency. Telling us the nature of the injury (pelvic fracture) requiring confinement for two years would have been useful to anyone interested in giving advice.Had I known you bought this $10,000-20,000 (or whatever) piece of machinery because of the pelvic fracture, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.....even though I think they are of limited benefit.As it turns out, it doesn’t sound like it helped very much. So now you are 2 years following a horrible injury to a horse you very much love, and the disappointments seem to just keep coming.At this point, what do you consider a realistic goal? What have the vets told you about prognosis?There’s a lot to learn here.....at least I hope so. Why do you care? Your responses are so arrogant. I've spent an embarrassing amount on this horse in vet bills but she has also won me it when she is healthy. It's no one's business but mine. I don't have any reason to continue to talk to you. Your continuing response is strictly about one comment about me having a flipping magnawave making me out to be one of those people that think it was a miracle machine... I never said that. Please move along and stop worrying about what I do with my horse or if I spent a large amount of money.
Look, I apologized, and I meant it. Evidently you won’t accept that.
I didn’t say you claimed it was a miracle machine. Most of us are prone to making decisions like that when dealing with a very special animal, and most of us have a very hard time taking a step back and
struggling with a difficult, but realistic decision under these circumstances. I don’t have the answer for overcoming emotionally charged dilemmas like yours. It’s hard to flip that switch.
That’s why I asked what the vets told you regarding prognosis and your goals going forward.
I honestly do feel bad for you. |
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| Bear - 2018-05-30 11:21 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-30 10:57 PM Bear - 2018-05-30 10:42 PMI’m sorry about the wisecrack regarding your purchase of a magnawave. Shame on me.This thread caught my attention because of the title. So you have a horse who suffered a pelvic fracture and a sacroiliac injury (presumably in addition to the pelvic fracture), but you didn’t reveal that until very late in the thread. All I knew was he was injured, requiring him to be confined for two years. All this seemingly complicated by Vit E deficiency. Telling us the nature of the injury (pelvic fracture) requiring confinement for two years would have been useful to anyone interested in giving advice.Had I known you bought this $10,000-20,000 (or whatever) piece of machinery because of the pelvic fracture, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.....even though I think they are of limited benefit.As it turns out, it doesn’t sound like it helped very much. So now you are 2 years following a horrible injury to a horse you very much love, and the disappointments seem to just keep coming.At this point, what do you consider a realistic goal? What have the vets told you about prognosis?There’s a lot to learn here.....at least I hope so. Why do you care? Your responses are so arrogant. I've spent an embarrassing amount on this horse in vet bills but she has also won me it when she is healthy. It's no one's business but mine. I don't have any reason to continue to talk to you. Your continuing response is strictly about one comment about me having a flipping magnawave making me out to be one of those people that think it was a miracle machine... I never said that. Please move along and stop worrying about what I do with my horse or if I spent a large amount of money. Look, I apologized, and I meant it. Evidently you won’t accept that.I didn’t say you claimed it was a miracle machine. Most of us are prone to making decisions like that when dealing with a very special animal, and most of us have a very hard time taking a step back and struggling with a difficult, but realistic decision under these circumstances. I don’t have the answer for overcoming emotionally charged dilemmas like yours. It’s hard to flip that switch. That’s why I asked what the vets told you regarding prognosis and your goals going forward. I honestly do feel bad for you.
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Location: n.c. | You just can't help some people. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | runningk - 2018-06-01 6:47 PM
You just can't help some people.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I read your post .I came across a face book page called... hoof rehab help...there was a discussing about to much iron in the diet is why a horse won't shed.the page has a diet sticky that I think will help you fix your horse not just for the hoof. HOOF REHAB HELP...facebook. |
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| Bear - 2018-06-01 10:02 PM
runningk - 2018-06-01 6:47 PM
You just can't help some people.
Agreed.
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| cow pie - 2018-06-03 8:57 AM
I read your post .I came across a face book page called... hoof rehab help...there was a discussing about to much iron in the diet is why a horse won't shed.the page has a diet sticky that I think will help you fix your horse not just for the hoof. HOOF REHAB HELP...facebook.
Thanks! I'll look it up! |
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Location: IL | How deficient was your horse? I have one that we did a blood test on for back soreness and she was really deficient. |
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| We have a 3 year old that got really mean, would kick at us when we tried to pick up her back feet, and went from a nice riding horse to a bronc. The vet suggested putting her on Vitamin E and she is completely a new animal! We can pet and brush her back and she even let the farrier pick up and trim both hinds this morning.
When treating for back soreness, how long was your horse on it? Is it a lifetime thing? |
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Location: IL | RunninForHome - 2018-06-05 3:42 PM We have a 3 year old that got really mean, would kick at us when we tried to pick up her back feet, and went from a nice riding horse to a bronc. The vet suggested putting her on Vitamin E and she is completely a new animal! We can pet and brush her back and she even let the farrier pick up and trim both hinds this morning. When treating for back soreness, how long was your horse on it? Is it a lifetime thing?
How long ago did you start treating your horse? I'm wondering how long until I see results from the vitamin E. I have been giving liquid Elevate. I really hope this helps my mare. My mare tested at 117 and normal range is 200-1000, if I remember right. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-24 6:30 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-05-24 3:00 PMJust forget all of the magical supplements and feed a handful of this each day … thrown in their feed .. 25# loose <$33/bag .. MOORMANS GROSTRONG MINERALS … with whole oats and alfalfa as your base feeding program if horse needs more weight .. add 1/3 pound of chopped/rolled corn If you want a blinding shine … add a handful of WHOLE FLAX SEED If your horse is as deficient in vitamin e as mine they need an additional supplemental source to get their blood levels up quicker. Powdered vitamin e supplements can take close to 6 months. Either several hours of grass pasture or the water soluble liquid is the quickest according to my vet. Edited to add.... There is nothing wrong with my feed program. This is the case of a stressed horse due to recovering from an injury and no pasture for almost 2 years. I wish I would have had her on something extra but with all other aspects of her rehabilitation it was the last thought.
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The key to the GroStrong is simple ..
It is designed with the right amount of vitamins and how the minerals are
processed to act as a catalyst to each other to expedite the absorption
by the horses digestive system.
Vitamin E needs some fat for the digestive system to absorb it. Vitamin E deficiency
can cause nerve and muscle damage that results in loss of feeling in the neck and
legs, loss of body movement control, muscle weakness, and vision problems.
Another sign of deficiency is a weakened immune system.
Since you are concentrating on Vitamin E and it requires fat food to become soluble ..
Include 8 ounces/day of WHOLE FLAX SEED in your feeding program ..
As far as your muscle soreness and atrophy .. this mare needs to be turned
out in the biggest pasture you have for a year+ in order to regain her muscles
and muscle control and fed by herself … by exercising the way she feels from day to day.
You are not going to be able to use forced exercise or riding to make this
happen.
Your job now is to get her body's digestive system back to absorbing
all of her needed minerals / vitamins and not with a syringe.
I WISH YOU WELL AND GOOD LUCK!!
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| merdth6 - 2018-06-05 2:55 PM
How deficient was your horse? I have one that we did a blood test on for back soreness and she was really deficient.
Yours was as bad as Mine! My horse was 103. They said I need to retest in 2 months. They said I should notice a difference in a few days weeks and she will need to be on the liquid for 3 months or so. This shouldn't be life long since she is back out on pasture and not confined to a stall. I do think I will be giving her the maintenance elevate e powder over the winter tho on years to come. |
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| RunninForHome - 2018-06-05 3:42 PM
We have a 3 year old that got really mean, would kick at us when we tried to pick up her back feet, and went from a nice riding horse to a bronc. The vet suggested putting her on Vitamin E and she is completely a new animal! We can pet and brush her back and she even let the farrier pick up and trim both hinds this morning.
When treating for back soreness, how long was your horse on it? Is it a lifetime thing?
That is great to know!!! I haven't tried riding her yet because I am giving her some time off so I am not sure about the saddling discomfort but she seems happier all around now. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-06-05 4:52 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-24 6:30 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-05-24 3:00 PMJust forget all of the magical supplements and feed a handful of this each day … thrown in their feed .. 25# loose <$33/bag .. MOORMANS GROSTRONG MINERALS … with whole oats and alfalfa as your base feeding program if horse needs more weight .. add 1/3 pound of chopped/rolled corn If you want a blinding shine … add a handful of WHOLE FLAX SEED If your horse is as deficient in vitamin e as mine they need an additional supplemental source to get their blood levels up quicker. Powdered vitamin e supplements can take close to 6 months. Either several hours of grass pasture or the water soluble liquid is the quickest according to my vet. Edited to add.... There is nothing wrong with my feed program. This is the case of a stressed horse due to recovering from an injury and no pasture for almost 2 years. I wish I would have had her on something extra but with all other aspects of her rehabilitation it was the last thought.
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The key to the GroStrong is simple ..
It is designed with the right amount of vitamins and how the minerals are
processed to act as a catalyst to each other to expedite the absorption
by the horses digestive system.
Vitamin E needs some fat for the digestive system to absorb it. Vitamin E deficiency
can cause nerve and muscle damage that results in loss of feeling in the neck and
legs, loss of body movement control, muscle weakness, and vision problems.
Another sign of deficiency is a weakened immune system.
Since you are concentrating on Vitamin E and it requires fat food to become soluble ..
Include 8 ounces/day of WHOLE FLAX SEED in your feeding program ..
As far as your muscle soreness and atrophy .. this mare needs to be turned
out in the biggest pasture you have for a year+ in order to regain her muscles
and muscle control and fed by herself … by exercising the way she feels from day to day.
You are not going to be able to use forced exercise or riding to make this
happen.
Your job now is to get her body's digestive system back to absorbing
all of her needed minerals / vitamins and not with a syringe.
I WISH YOU WELL AND GOOD LUCK!!
Thanks I appreciate it and you are right the pasture is the best place for her. I will definitely add more fat. |
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Location: IL | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-06-05 5:57 PM merdth6 - 2018-06-05 2:55 PM How deficient was your horse? I have one that we did a blood test on for back soreness and she was really deficient. Yours was as bad as Mine! My horse was 103. They said I need to retest in 2 months. They said I should notice a difference in a few days weeks and she will need to be on the liquid for 3 months or so. This shouldn't be life long since she is back out on pasture and not confined to a stall. I do think I will be giving her the maintenance elevate e powder over the winter tho on years to come.
I am also going to put her on the Elevate powder after I'm done with the liquid. I rode her yesterday and she does seem better. How long did you vet say it was gonna take to get levels back up again? I've also been turning her out on grass a lot. |
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| merdth6 - 2018-06-06 9:05 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-06-05 5:57 PM merdth6 - 2018-06-05 2:55 PM How deficient was your horse? I have one that we did a blood test on for back soreness and she was really deficient. Yours was as bad as Mine! My horse was 103. They said I need to retest in 2 months. They said I should notice a difference in a few days weeks and she will need to be on the liquid for 3 months or so. This shouldn't be life long since she is back out on pasture and not confined to a stall. I do think I will be giving her the maintenance elevate e powder over the winter tho on years to come.
I've been treating for a month. I'll retest in another month. He said it could take 3 months. Hopefully!!! |
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Location: IL | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-06-06 2:15 PM merdth6 - 2018-06-06 9:05 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-06-05 5:57 PM merdth6 - 2018-06-05 2:55 PM How deficient was your horse? I have one that we did a blood test on for back soreness and she was really deficient. Yours was as bad as Mine! My horse was 103. They said I need to retest in 2 months. They said I should notice a difference in a few days weeks and she will need to be on the liquid for 3 months or so. This shouldn't be life long since she is back out on pasture and not confined to a stall. I do think I will be giving her the maintenance elevate e powder over the winter tho on years to come. I've been treating for a month. I'll retest in another month. He said it could take 3 months. Hopefully!!!
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