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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Griz - 2014-06-26 5:48 AM
Sorry I'm lost, but what the hell is GMO?
"Genetically Modified Organisms" - basically any animal or plant used for food that has been genetically modified. It's fashionable to be opposed to GMO foods, but it's hard to find good evidence that it poses any significant risk to the consumer....at least as far as I am aware. | |
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I just read the headlines
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-06-25 1:52 PM
GLP - 2014-06-25 10:51 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-06-25 10:29 AM
I do believe in freedom of choice, but in also believe in living with your choice.
I wish governments would pass a law stating parents who choose to no vaccinate their children are solely responsible for all costs incurred with their child/ren doctor, hospital, medical costs from contracting vaccine preventable diseases.
This would lower insurance rates for everyone, and save tax payer dollars in countries that have free health care.
Do you include AIDS patients, smokers, drug addicts and their children and people who are exposed to harmful chemicals in their workplace? It would be great if everyone could be responsible for their own health care but thanks to the people we have voted to lead us in government that will never happen. You can not just single out one section of the population just because they don't do what you want them to do. I for one am tired of the government meddling in my life. I would rather be responsible for myself and mine, but the truth is the majority of people do not feel that way. What about people that ride with out helmets? Is it our responsibility to pay for their medical care? We are through higher insurance rates. I am tired of people attacking other people for not vaccinating their children. I wish I hadn't. But thankfully I did not put them on the schedule that the government wants them on. They had alot of time in between vaccinations.
The morbidities you used as example are not cut and dry, not all AIDS people can be held accountable for having the disease.
There have been some court cases where someone with AIDS has knowlingly infected others has been imprisoned, yes we are still paying for their health care, but atleast the individual spreading the disease has been incarcerated. There is no cure or vaccine for AIDS in all reality these individuals cannot be put into the same category as people who refuse to vaccinate.
Smoking, in some countries there have been lawsuits where the companies have paid for health costs of individuals who have cancer as a direct result of smoking, this is a highly addictive habit, very hard for someone to quit. There are also countries/provinces that tax the cigarettes and that money is specifically supposed to go to pay for health care directly related to smoking, so in theory the smokers are paying for their own health care. (Do I think all this tax money is going towards this, highly doubt it but a question for the government )
People who are exposed to harmful chemicals in their work place, problem with this is the more research done more harmful chemicals are found in the work place, ex asbestos no one knew this was a cancer causing agent if inhailed until people developed cancer and the causative agent was identified. There have been many lawsuits fought over this and many people have been monetarily compensated. Where harmful chemicals are in the workforce the employer is legislated to provide safety precautions/gear. The employee is supposed to abide by the MSDS regulations and wear the protective gear and have the proper monitoring systems in place. An employee can be fired for not adhering to the regulations, and an employer can be fined, shut down, and even sued for not abiding by legislation and regulations.
AIDS - drug addicts can get AIDS from sharing needles and people can get it from unprotected sex. Those are conscious decisions. Not good ones, but ones they made.
Smoking - I highly doubt much of the money goes to treatment. I believe they could also use the money for the prevention of smoking.
Dangerous Jobs- My uncle saw very little of the money from law suits for mesothelioma (asbestoes caused cancer). The lawyer fees ate that up.
My husband works in a refinery. You cannot prevent accidents. Some of the people who work in the plants are as intelligent as our government officials.
So all the morbidities I used are not cut and dry. Agreed, but neither is child vaccinations. There are children who for whatever reason, are advised not to vaccinate or had reactions to vaccinations and can't finish them. Why should the child have to pay for a decision the parents made on their behalf?
In the perfect world we would all want to and be able to pay for our own health care. I prefer that world. But I don't think that world is coming back anytime soon.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-06-26 7:15 AM Griz - 2014-06-26 5:48 AM Sorry I'm lost, but what the hell is GMO? "Genetically Modified Organisms" - basically any animal or plant used for food that has been genetically modified. It's fashionable to be opposed to GMO foods, but it's hard to find good evidence that it poses any significant risk to the consumer....at least as far as I am aware.
Thank you! - I had never heard of that! | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-06-25 3:37 PM 3canstorun - 2014-06-25 1:57 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-06-25 2:38 PM If there is no proof that a GMO food is harmful, should the food be required by law to be labelled as "GMO"? If so, why? It would seem to be an unjustified perjorative. To me, it's only labeled non GMO to get more buyers. A new fad, trend, whatever you want to call it. The latest band wagon.
Why, I even saw a commercial for glutten free beer, but that's a whole new thread. I've seen "gluten free" milk, eggs, and butter......and you can bet they jack up the price for that label.....and get away with it. People fall for this crap. I think I am going to go into the gluten free! GMO free, organic bottled water business. I can charge even more than they charge for "Evian water". I'm thinking a nice looking natural label and $3.99 a bottle. After all, we all should have our own personal bottle of water. Tap water is for peasants, right?
My dad has MS and is participating in a diet study, and they want him to eat as much non-gmo and organic as possible. Which I think is fine, I do believe that some people will have intolerance to different things and people with auto-immune disorders are fighting a whole set of problems that "normal" people don't have to deal with.
One night I was on the phone with my mom and she was telling me she had ordered blueberry plants from New Jersey. I asked why she didn't just buy them from a local nursey. She said because these were advertised as non-gmo blueberries. There are no gmo blueberries. The company jacks up prices to sell to people who think they are doing the "right thing" and not buying gmo.
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| GLP - 2014-06-26 8:52 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-06-25 1:52 PM
GLP - 2014-06-25 10:51 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-06-25 10:29 AM
I do believe in freedom of choice, but in also believe in living with your choice.
I wish governments would pass a law stating parents who choose to no vaccinate their children are solely responsible for all costs incurred with their child/ren doctor, hospital, medical costs from contracting vaccine preventable diseases.
This would lower insurance rates for everyone, and save tax payer dollars in countries that have free health care.
Do you include AIDS patients, smokers, drug addicts and their children and people who are exposed to harmful chemicals in their workplace? It would be great if everyone could be responsible for their own health care but thanks to the people we have voted to lead us in government that will never happen. You can not just single out one section of the population just because they don't do what you want them to do. I for one am tired of the government meddling in my life. I would rather be responsible for myself and mine, but the truth is the majority of people do not feel that way. What about people that ride with out helmets? Is it our responsibility to pay for their medical care? We are through higher insurance rates. I am tired of people attacking other people for not vaccinating their children. I wish I hadn't. But thankfully I did not put them on the schedule that the government wants them on. They had alot of time in between vaccinations.
The morbidities you used as example are not cut and dry, not all AIDS people can be held accountable for having the disease.
There have been some court cases where someone with AIDS has knowlingly infected others has been imprisoned, yes we are still paying for their health care, but atleast the individual spreading the disease has been incarcerated. There is no cure or vaccine for AIDS in all reality these individuals cannot be put into the same category as people who refuse to vaccinate.
Smoking, in some countries there have been lawsuits where the companies have paid for health costs of individuals who have cancer as a direct result of smoking, this is a highly addictive habit, very hard for someone to quit. There are also countries/provinces that tax the cigarettes and that money is specifically supposed to go to pay for health care directly related to smoking, so in theory the smokers are paying for their own health care. (Do I think all this tax money is going towards this, highly doubt it but a question for the government )
People who are exposed to harmful chemicals in their work place, problem with this is the more research done more harmful chemicals are found in the work place, ex asbestos no one knew this was a cancer causing agent if inhailed until people developed cancer and the causative agent was identified. There have been many lawsuits fought over this and many people have been monetarily compensated. Where harmful chemicals are in the workforce the employer is legislated to provide safety precautions/gear. The employee is supposed to abide by the MSDS regulations and wear the protective gear and have the proper monitoring systems in place. An employee can be fired for not adhering to the regulations, and an employer can be fined, shut down, and even sued for not abiding by legislation and regulations.
AIDS - drug addicts can get AIDS from sharing needles and people can get it from unprotected sex. Those are conscious decisions. Not good ones, but ones they made.
Smoking - I highly doubt much of the money goes to treatment. I believe they could also use the money for the prevention of smoking.
Dangerous Jobs- My uncle saw very little of the money from law suits for mesothelioma (asbestoes caused cancer ). The lawyer fees ate that up.
My husband works in a refinery. You cannot prevent accidents. Some of the people who work in the plants are as intelligent as our government officials.
So all the morbidities I used are not cut and dry. Agreed, but neither is child vaccinations. There are children who for whatever reason, are advised not to vaccinate or had reactions to vaccinations and can't finish them. Why should the child have to pay for a decision the parents made on their behalf?
In the perfect world we would all want to and be able to pay for our own health care. I prefer that world. But I don't think that world is coming back anytime soon.
Not all people who have had sexual intercourse and contracted aids was consentual. I could argue all day with you on the examples you gave but am stopping here.
I am not sure what you mean why should the children pay for the parents decision?
Children are paying with their lives, their health if parents choose not to vaccinate and contract the disease.
And I do know that not all children can be vaccinated, but these children are the reason the others need to vaccinate to protect the weak and immunocompromised.
We need 80 percent of all people to get vaccinated to erradicate the diseases that can be eradicated such as MMR, polio etc.
Just an FYI polio is on the rise as well | |
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| I am confused. What did you mean then when you said that the parents who don't vaccinate their children should be solely responsible for all cost incurred with their child/ren doctor, hospital, medical costs from contracting vaccine preventable diseases? Also how would this lower insurance rates?
If the parents can't pay for any treatment for the disease they didn't vaccinate for, the child pays. In the US there are people who fall through the cracks. They don't make enough money to pay for insurance, but they make too much for government assistance. And I never said anything about a child paying with their lives, although I have heard of them dying of flu and they weren't vaccinated. So yeah, I'm done too. | |
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