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boon
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| I recently purchased a horse that's a bleeder. I was told to give him 5cc 3 hours out of Lasix before we run. Take away food and water then give electrolyte paste after, also keep out of sun. My questions are this:
My daughter does day rodeo's in Louisiana during summer months, Do I have to keep horse out the sun? How do we use this horse during summer months that he wont become dehydrated? She normally does Pole, barrels, arena race, and goat tying. These rodeo's last all day.
How long should I wait after I feed to give Lasix?
Should I give electrolytes all week before we race him?
Any help on this is greatly appreciated This is out first horse that bleeds. His bleeds are bad per previous owner | |
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| Its hard enough on one in a hot climate to go several hours with no food/Water just to make one barrel racing run. I can't imagine using a horse for multiple events during the day, in those conditions, using lasix. I had a horse I had to run on lasix and there were several times I had to draw out and not run because the arena producer started the race so late and the conditions were hot/humid/ etc. THis is why I rarely will enter a race you can't pre enter, or atleast know an hour in advance of when I would be running. Or enter races where the producer has a reputation for not starting on time. But to answer your question on electrolytes YES, I gave few days in advance and immediately after a run. For multiple day races it is not uncommon to need to use IV fluids on a horse that gets lasix multiple days in a row. | |
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 Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana | I'm also in LA...
I have run my horse more than once in a day, but I wouldn't do several events like that where he can't have water.
In my case, I gave lasix and ran in the morning...hauled to a night rodeo and ran again. I let him have a bucket of water in between, and don't give any more. Never had an issue, but I also didn't do that often. I also don't enter him in daytime events in the hottest months...just morning or night.
Running back to back at the same show is completely different though...
I would definitely get him shade, maybe even a fan...don't work him up to a heavy sweat...I warm mine up very minimally, just loosen everything. If there's a long enough break unsaddle.
I will offer mine about 2-3 swallows of water just to wet his mouth and throat...you might do that before or after her runs.
Good luck! | |
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 Straight Shooter
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Location: SW North Dakota | My daughter's horse is a silent bleeder, and multi-event horse. We gave her 4 cc of Lasix in the morning 2-3 hours before barrels (the first event) and held water until after barrels. We'd give her a small pail (8qt?) of water and electrolytes about 15 minutes after barrels, and another one (or two) a few hours later if it was hot. Poles is her last event of the day- about 6 hours after barrels. We only gave her the lasix once a day, and tried OE Wind for the afternoon- which seems to help! We are in ND, but still have summer temps over 100. I think we have her protocol down pretty well, as she doesn't cough and runs 20 second poles. I think all horses respond a little different, so you may have to tweak your "recipe" a little bit. We also feed Oxy-Gen's Bleeder Stop with grass pellets and Renew Gold as her "grain." | |
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boon
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| My daughter's horse is a silent bleeder, and multi-event horse. We gave her 4 cc of Lasix in the morning 2-3 hours before barrels (the first event) and held water until after barrels. We'd give her a small pail (8qt?) of water and electrolytes about 15 minutes after barrels, and another one (or two) a few hours later if it was hot. Poles is her last event of the day- about 6 hours after barrels. We only gave her the lasix once a day, and tried OE Wind for the afternoon- which seems to help! We are in ND, but still have summer temps over 100. I think we have her protocol down pretty well, as she doesn't cough and runs 20 second poles. I think all horses respond a little different, so you may have to tweak your "recipe" a little bit. We also feed Oxy-Gen's Bleeder Stop with grass pellets and Renew Gold as her "grain."
Thanks, This gives me some hope. The only difference is the humidity level here. | |
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| froggie9131 - 2018-03-26 1:45 PM
My daughter's horse is a silent bleeder, and multi-event horse. We gave her 4 cc of Lasix in the morning 2-3 hours before barrels (the first event) and held water until after barrels. We'd give her a small pail (8qt?) of water and electrolytes about 15 minutes after barrels, and another one (or two) a few hours later if it was hot. Poles is her last event of the day- about 6 hours after barrels. We only gave her the lasix once a day, and tried OE Wind for the afternoon- which seems to help! We are in ND, but still have summer temps over 100. I think we have her protocol down pretty well, as she doesn't cough and runs 20 second poles. I think all horses respond a little different, so you may have to tweak your "recipe" a little bit. We also feed Oxy-Gen's Bleeder Stop with grass pellets and Renew Gold as her "grain."
Thanks, This gives me some hope. The only difference is the humidity level here.
It depends on the horse, but it sounds like some folks make it work. I wouldn’t usually consider a horse already on lasix for this type of work though....
That being said if I were in your place now, I would write down my plan, I would set timers on my phone for giving lasix, water and amt, etc (because we get busy and forget things, and you may want to review the plan later) and I would pre schedule a vet appt for the next day to scope and see if it worked. I would consider scoping the first 2-3 times doing multiple events in one day just to make sure the first time wasn’t a fluke...bleeding freaks me out and I don’t think it’s always taken seriously enough. | |
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Straight Shooter
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Location: SW North Dakota | OhMax - 2018-03-26 1:00 PM froggie9131 - 2018-03-26 1:45 PM My daughter's horse is a silent bleeder, and multi-event horse. We gave her 4 cc of Lasix in the morning 2-3 hours before barrels (the first event) and held water until after barrels. We'd give her a small pail (8qt?) of water and electrolytes about 15 minutes after barrels, and another one (or two) a few hours later if it was hot. Poles is her last event of the day- about 6 hours after barrels. We only gave her the lasix once a day, and tried OE Wind for the afternoon- which seems to help! We are in ND, but still have summer temps over 100. I think we have her protocol down pretty well, as she doesn't cough and runs 20 second poles. I think all horses respond a little different, so you may have to tweak your "recipe" a little bit. We also feed Oxy-Gen's Bleeder Stop with grass pellets and Renew Gold as her "grain." Thanks, This gives me some hope. The only difference is the humidity level here. It depends on the horse, but it sounds like some folks make it work. I wouldn’t usually consider a horse already on lasix for this type of work though.... That being said if I were in your place now, I would write down my plan, I would set timers on my phone for giving lasix, water and amt, etc (because we get busy and forget things, and you may want to review the plan later ) and I would pre schedule a vet appt for the next day to scope and see if it worked. I would consider scoping the first 2-3 times doing multiple events in one day just to make sure the first time wasn’t a fluke...bleeding freaks me out and I don’t think it’s always taken seriously enough.
I think a checkup after a "trial" period is a grand idea! Bleeding is scary, and not to be taken lightly. We did work with our vet in starting a plan. It takes some diligence, for sure.
In fact, last fall, we bought another horse to take the stress off this mare. Point forward, poles will be her only event- not specifically because of the bleeding, more because she has a check ligament that gives her trouble occasionally. She's a great pole horse and we raised her, so we decided just to let her "relax" with one event.
I'm sure my dad is looking down from Heaven, shaking his head because we are hauling 3 horses for 5 events! HAHA! He was a firm believer in the "all-around horse." | |
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