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Location: North Dakota | CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 10:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
I used to be a dispatcher for power outages after hours. You would not BELIEVE how much people completely freak out after even a few hours w/o power. I don't know how many times I hear "but I have to feed my kids and get them to bed. How am I supposed to do that without power?" If a storm or something rolled through and they had to be out of power for a day or two they would LOSE THEIR MINDS. People with livestock or life threating medical issues had NO backup plan for even less than 48 hours. This is why I totally believe the vast majority of the population will die off very quickly. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 10:43 AM
I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want.
If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
Even precious metals might be useless. It's a good idea to have real cash on hand, including things like gold and silver. It doesn't earn anything in a bank nowadays anyway. More important than that is the importance of having anything useful that isn't consummed or used up in a short period of time.....in other words, think "durable goods": tools, devices, equipment, hardware, even building materials. Wood, such as 2X4s and plywood, preferably treated can be a durable good.
If you have a large propane tank.....keep it full. You are always going to use it anyway. If you have smaller tanks, get an extra.
If you really want to be prepared, read about how to build a "Faraday cage", which basically shields it's contents from electromagnetic radiation. The Internet is full of articles that provide instructions on how to build a wide variety of these things. It can be done very inexpensively. Even a metal trash can can be made into a Faraday cage. All you need to do is insulate it with cardboard. You can at least keep a battery powered radio in it, for instance. If you have older vehicles, make sure they are kept in running order. Because they don't depend on delicate circuitry, they are unlikely to be disabled by an EMP. Bottom line is this: Start reading and printing. The questions that will come up are limitless. | |
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Location: Michigan | crapshooter - 2015-12-13 9:38 PM
I may be old but I have a lot of ammo. Â
But unless you are willing to shoot the starving family from the next town/road over who are simply needing your food/water as they are dying it is useless.
Sure it might be easy to shoot the "bad guys" coming to get you and your stuff, but a little different when They are just normal people needing at least some of what you have or watch their children die. There are millions of people in urban areas that will be headed out of town in the hopes of finding someone like you willing to share your stuff or kill you to take it.
Even if very well supplied the best and maybe only way to survive would be to remain invisible to the roving starving masses that are just trying survive another day. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM
CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. Â You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. Â
Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example.
I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting. | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Bear - 2015-12-14 10:49 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices. I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example. I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting.
And those that have seeds, I am a very unskilled gardner, but I try yearly. You have to have seeds (can't remember what they are called) that will produce vegetables and fruit that will produce seeds that can again reproduce. Hope that makes sense. So many seeds are man-made per se and won't recreate when re planted. I bougth a container of those to have just in case. | |
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| i am history as i am 65 in a wheelchair and my life depends on certain medcal things
but hey i believe in god he is my lord and savior i am not gonna sweat it but i agree its gonna happen | |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | Bear - 2015-12-14 9:49 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM
CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices.
I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. Â You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. Â
Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example.
I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting.
We keep "Get Home" bags in all of our vehicles, with ALL the necessary supplies. We are blessed to live in a very low-value area in case of a terrorist attack, and are hours away from any cities that people would be leaving en mass.
Our plan, no matter what, is to GET HOME. We have the means to be self-sustained for YEARS. Once we get home, we plan on destroying the county road just below one of our neighbors' places and essentially starting our own community up the canyon where we live if the world as we know it ever came to a screeching, disastrous halt. We've talked with several neighbors around us, and between us all - we'd have a pretty nice, well-rounded community that could provide for everyone for years if necessary.
Of course, we all pray that that day never comes, but we are prepared in case it does. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | vjls - 2015-12-14 11:57 AM
i am history as i am 65 in a wheelchair and my life depends on certain medcal things
but hey i believe in god he is my lord and savior i am not gonna sweat it but i agree its gonna happenÂ
Nonsense. Get your ass over here. We'll put you to work. We'll figure out something for you to do. You have a perfectly good brain. If you have decent function of your arms, then maybe you can cook or sew. Maybe I can handle most of your medical needs.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Bear - 2015-12-14 11:49 AM vjls - 2015-12-14 11:57 AM i am history as i am 65 in a wheelchair and my life depends on certain medcal things
but hey i believe in god he is my lord and savior i am not gonna sweat it but i agree its gonna happen Nonsense. Get your ass over here. We'll put you to work. We'll figure out something for you to do. You have a perfectly good brain. If you have decent function of your arms, then maybe you can cook or sew. Maybe I can handle most of your medical needs. Just an illustration......
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 11:57 AM
Bear - 2015-12-14 10:49 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices. I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. Â You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. Â Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example. I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting.
Plant vegetables that produce viable seeds. Look up and print articles on making your own seed. Keep everything on paper, just in case. | |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | Bear - 2015-12-14 10:52 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 11:57 AM
Bear - 2015-12-14 10:49 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices. I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. Â You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. Â Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example. I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting.
Plant vegetables that produce viable seeds. Look up and print articles on making your own seed. Keep everything on paper, just in case.
And if you can, buy heirloom seeds FROM YOUR AREA. Also, learn what grows well in your area. For instance, I'm not going to beat my brains out trying to grow corn and watermelon up here in Oregon. I will however, live nicely on gourmet mushrooms, berries, potatoes, garlic, onions, and squashes. | |
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Location: North Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 11:57 AM
Bear - 2015-12-14 10:49 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-12-14 10:50 AM CrossDRanch - 2015-12-14 9:43 AM I hate to think this way, but it would not take much to send people into a panic. Just look at New Orleans a few years ago when the hurricane hit. People went nuts. They were shooting at the rescue helicopters coming to get them. Or look at the riots and looting in cities today when people do not get what they want. If the economy crashes, currency will be worthless. I need tangible items that will maintain a world wide value. I am guessing gold, silver, etc. would be good choices. I agree with the currency but I think gold and silver will be just as worthless. If you can't eat it, shoot with it or wear it, I think it will be pretty useless. I have a neighbor that can make soap, cheese and all kinds of other things. She can barter those things. Â You will also need to know how to preserve meat. We have a pasture full of cows, but I really don't want to butcher one for a couple meals just for the rest to go to waste. Â Now you're thinking! Get to know people around you....neighbors. Someone down the road might not have cattle, but they might have several grain bins full of wheat....barter. I happen to have a skill that can be bartered, for example. I can't emphasize enough the importance of hoarding information. The more you read, the more you uncover important questions. For example, someone mentioned insulin and diabetics. Do you know the shelf life of a bottle of insulin? Find out. You won't have refrigeration.......does that mean you can't figure out a way to keep things cool? Do you know how to make dry ice? These sorts of questions have solutions......start digging. Besides, it's interesting.
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Location: East Texas | We are farm and ranch people. So most of those things you talked about we have, and we will get by. We have an artesian spring on our place so water will not be a problem. Ponds are stocked and wildlife is plentiful. May need some more veggies.
Several years ago my area had a huge storm that even took down the enormous metal towers carrying electric lines. My parents were without electricity for 5-6 weeks. So it can be done.
I do like the idea of taking out the road. Like several have mentioned, I think one of the biggest concerns will be people wanting to take what you have. | |
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