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Location: Qld Australia | OP - Good luck, I have read all your post and can understand completly why you are trying to track down this information and applaud you for wanting to get this done before breeding her. From what you have written here though, I can see why the breeder acted confused, I am totally confused too. I DO NOT mean that in a nasty way, just saying I understand why the breeder may have been a bit funny. Again, good luck.
A few years ago, we bought an awesome older mare, all registered etc but not DNA'd as not needed at that point due to her age. She had produced brilliant performance horses and her daughters had gone on to be great broodmares too. Devistatingly, she died after foaling, the vet could not save her. A week and a half later, a lady we did not know rang us. She had bought an unregistered gelding out of her and needed the dam's DNA for registration. We explained that she had died and sorry, we did not keep any hair. This lady wanted us to DIG HER UP!!!!!!!! He!! no lady. |
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Location: Qld Australia | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-25 11:09 AM
Cowjazz - 2013-11-24 7:07 PM
Somebody (at a salebarn most likely) messed up the papers. The only actually registerd filly to that sire and dam in 1997 is a SORREL. If I were you I'd toss the documents you have as they are worthless.
Awesome -_-!!! So chances are she's either younger or older then I think she is to be and possibly is registered but I will never be able to find out?
Many people mistakingly register gray horses on their base coat so it could be possible that this is the mare. I have a gray mare that had a base coat of BAY and she was registered as RED ROAN. (I got that fixed lol). |
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| Actually you guys. I had a friend look up Twisty Hope Quincy foal list. There is a GRAY MARE born 5-15-97 ONE DAY OFF of what her birth date says on y folder. Spark Of Hope, is the registered name on this gray mare born 5-15-97. I am thinking it may be here. The coggins is correct, it says the mare was gray and the coggins was taken at three months of age on 8-14-97 out of the same people who owned the sorrel mare found Fancy cat and Twisty. So I got to thinking she was out of a different mare, but the same stallion. Maybe?? It'd be amazing. xD!!!! |
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Location: ND | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 7:35 PM Actually you guys. I had a friend look up Twisty Hope Quincy foal list. There is a GRAY MARE born 5-15-97 ONE DAY OFF of what her birth date says on y folder. Spark Of Hope, is the registered name on this gray mare born 5-15-97. I am thinking it may be here. The coggins is correct, it says the mare was gray and the coggins was taken at three months of age on 8-14-97 out of the same people who owned the sorrel mare found Fancy cat and Twisty. So I got to thinking she was out of a different mare, but the same stallion. Maybe?? It'd be amazing. xD!!!!
well.....then you need to track down the owner of that registered horse because what you have is documentation that came with a horse that says she has never been registered....the more you dig into this, the bigger mess you are finding......good luck...i think you are in for a lot more surprises about his down the road |
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Location: ND | so...it appears that Spark of Hope is a 1973 brown mare???? |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 7:35 PM
Actually you guys. I had a friend look up Twisty Hope Quincy foal list. There is a GRAY MARE born 5-15-97 ONE DAY OFF of what her birth date says on y folder. Spark Of Hope, is the registered name on this gray mare born 5-15-97. I am thinking it may be here. The coggins is correct, it says the mare was gray and the coggins was taken at three months of age on 8-14-97 out of the same people who owned the sorrel mare found Fancy cat and Twisty. So I got to thinking she was out of a different mare, but the same stallion. Maybe?? It'd be amazing. xD!!!!
So your plan now is to contact every owner of a horse out of the stud?
I suggest letting it go, the horse you have is a grade mare and to prove otherwise is going to be very difficult, and your digging around and calling people out of the blue with your story is going to be very sketchy.
You already accused the lady you spoke to of being rude, and you were not even providing her with accurate details or terminology. What are you going to say on a public forum about the other people who you are going to contact |
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-11-24 7:43 PM
so...it appears that Spark of Hope is a 1973 brown mare????
No I found that too. That's an Arabian not a QH. The last recorded owners o this gray mare are in 2005. Catherine and James Peterson, Mandan ND. |
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| All I am trying to do is fined out information. I have no more leads and I will call the lady back tomorrow and apologize. |
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Location: Texas | dhdqhllc - 2013-11-24 8:03 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 7:48 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-11-24 7:43 PM so...it appears that Spark of Hope is a 1973 brown mare???? No I found that too. That's an Arabian not a QH. The last recorded owners o this gray mare are in 2005. Catherine and James Peterson, Mandan ND.
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 7:48 PM
dhdqhllc - 2013-11-24 7:43 PM
so...it appears that Spark of Hope is a 1973 brown mare????
No I found that too. That's an Arabian not a QH. The last recorded owners o this gray mare are in 2005. Catherine and James Peterson, Mandan ND.
Aqha has spark of hope as a 1973 registered quarter horse, not the same horse on allbreepedigree.
Please before you start calling random people have all your ducks in a row |
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Location: Florida.. | I think you have a grade mare and there is no paper trail to her.. shes from a stockyard.. anything could have been sent with her.. I would not bother those other people anymore..
Edited by Bibliafarm 2013-11-24 8:21 PM
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| My mare is Quarter horse, may not be registered but she's a full blooded Quarter horse. Wasn't trying to cause trouble, was trying to find my mares pedigree. This is why I rarely come here anymore. I do however appreciate who did help me. Your advice is taken and I have given up. |
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Location: Texas | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 10:19 PM My mare is Quarter horse, may not be registered but she's a full blooded Quarter horse. Wasn't trying to cause trouble, was trying to find my mares pedigree. This is why I rarely come here anymore. I do however appreciate who did help me. Your advice is taken and I have given up.
Oh well, just enjoy your nice mare and don't worry about papers. At age 16, I doubt the work, $$ and worry is even worth it.
Later on, buy yourself a super well bred mare and breed her to a nice stud and go win with the baby. |
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| Fun2Run - 2013-11-24 10:31 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 10:19 PM My mare is Quarter horse, may not be registered but she's a full blooded Quarter horse. Wasn't trying to cause trouble, was trying to find my mares pedigree. This is why I rarely come here anymore. I do however appreciate who did help me. Your advice is taken and I have given up.
Oh well, just enjoy your nice mare and don't worry about papers. At age 16, I doubt the work, $$ and worry is even worth it.
Later on, buy yourself a super well bred mare and breed her to a nice stud and go win with the baby.
Wasn't to worried about papers until I wanted to breed her. Because I know how many people don't like 'grade' horses. So I was trying to save the foal just encase I needed to sell it. She's here to stay till she gets old and crosses over. So I have no worries about papers. I have 2 other grades, a QH mix and a Paint gelding. My QH mix can run so we'll see what next year brings. |
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Location: ND | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 10:19 PM My mare is Quarter horse, may not be registered but she's a full blooded Quarter horse. Wasn't trying to cause trouble, was trying to find my mares pedigree. This is why I rarely come here anymore. I do however appreciate who did help me. Your advice is taken and I have given up.
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| The reason why people don't like grade horses is you can't prove breed, lineage, or age. There are some wonderful grade horses out there, but the problem is there are more dishonest people selling horses each day IMO, I like the papers as then I can prove age, I like lineage as it increases their value.
One thing to think on if you truly want to breed this mare, look at the incentive programs as then you will have some record of lineage and age. This may help if you ever need to sell the foal.
But before you start bidding make sure the stallion owner will breed to a grae mare as some will not |
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Location: Texas | With all of the hassle and expense of registering an older horse, I would use that money to buy a nice weanling or yearling and know exacting what you are getting. And it will save a year in the process. |
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Location: Florida.. | RocketPilot - 2013-11-25 12:10 AM
With all of the hassle and expense of registering an older horse, I would use that money to buy a nice weanling or yearling and know exacting what you are getting. And it will save a year in the process.
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Location: Midwest | Ok, I don't mean this to be snarky, but why do you want to breed this mare if she's only ever been a trail horse and you don't know her lines?
Grades are a dime a dozen, ready to go, and cheap. Or buy something from proven stock already on the ground that can be papered.... |
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