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Location: The South | I'm new to this breeding thing. But I feel like I've researched and been patient to buy the best I can afford to offer for sale.
Here are the papers that I will hopefully be foaling out in spring 2017. If everything goes as planned, what would you price these foals at?
1. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/alley+roy+17
Both sire and dam are sorrel. Dam has a flax mane.
Dam has had 9 foals, all the ones old enough to be ran have found success in the barrel pen and/or the roping pen. Her Dash for Perks son placed at Old Fort Days futurity. All her foals are gentle and sweethearts. People horses. Her sire (by Shawne Bug) had a lot of success roping and had several AQHA points. Believe he went to world and placed a time or two?
Sire is eligible for Future Fortunes, WPRA PESI and I think Triple Crown? Sire is a proven 1D horse, running fastest time of one round at BFA futurity I believe. His granddam was Ruth Haslip's NFR mare. He is a half brother thru his dam to Royal Star Commander by AR Star by Shawne Bug. Owner has let her daughter run him at All American Youth.
2. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/tex+tankini+17
Both sire and dam are bay.
Dam was a broodmare before I got her. She trained out and patterned on barrels really easy from 6 to now 8yo. Gentle enough I can run her and go directly and get my daughter and walk through the pattern on leadline. She is very quick on her feet and can cut a cow when needed. Has had 1 foal. Supposed to be a good momma based on previous owner's statement.
Sire is a young 5 year old. Was not really futuritied and is being brought along at his own pace. Was ridden at ACA rodeo finals last year as a four year old. Has a great mind and easy to handle. First foal is due any day. He is by the late Famous JR and out of a double bred Little Johnny Dial mare (3/4 sister to Dial a Red Rooster).
Edited by Mavers 2016-04-30 10:10 AM
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 Georgia Peach
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Location: Georgia |
In my personal opinion I think you could get around $4500-$5000 for the Royal and Famous colt, and around $2500-3000 for the Dialin Fame colt. Given that they both come out pretty and correct. |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | Really like the first one. Are both dams 5 panel tested? |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: Mountains of VA | Don't count your chickens before they hatch...........you have a long ways to go and lots of things can happen. We have always bred the mares and then we do not even think about the foals or get excited about what they could be. I feel like it will jinx the mare and foal.  Sounds crazy but I don't like getting my hopes when so many uncontrollable factors come into play. Breeding any species of animals is not for the faint of heart.
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 Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | General rule of thumb is 3X the stud fee. That is also the max/rule if your insuring your foal. Then from that 3x fee you can ad or subtract some from there for how they are as a individual or if they are out of a multiple NFR qualifier or blue hen mare would be significantly higher, but the 3x the stud fee is the standard mark. |
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 Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | ThreeCorners - 2016-05-01 9:36 AM General rule of thumb is 3X the stud fee. That is also the max/rule if your insuring your foal. Then from that 3x fee you can ad or subtract some from there for how they are as a individual or if they are out of a multiple NFR qualifier or blue hen mare would be significantly higher, but the 3x the stud fee is the standard mark.
This is true most times but I know of a lot of $1000 stallions that have babies sell for $1200-$1500. I know of another at $1000 and his babies are bringing $3500-$5500. That is a heck of a return on your investment. Babies are gorgeous and people friendly-eligible for incentives and he has sired Futurity money earners. |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: The South | Thank you guys for the input! |
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Location: Montana | I agree with the 3x the stud fee but I'm thinking that tends to be for a yearling rather than a foal? In some markets, yearlings actually bring less than weanlings. Straight racebreds that is less likely to be the case. I'm rarely every able to get more for yearlings than weanlings . . . .
And I'd say that requires the stud fee to be set at market for that horse. There are lots of factors, other than market, that can affect stud fees. Some stud owners want to be very picky about mares so they set the fee high and negotiate for just mares they want. Others are set up for volume and want to get as many foals as they can on the ground on a younger stud. His fee might be lower than it could otherwise be. Lots of other potential factors.
Thoroughbreds have another rule of thumb - a broodmare should be worth, open, about what the stud fee is. So a $5000 mare gets bred to a $5000 stud fee. That would help come up with prices on foals by somewhat stabilizing the quality of the mare. Has anyone ever heard of anything like that with QHs?
You could always try adding up all your costs and adding a little. ha! Sorry, but that was a joke . . .
Best of luck!
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