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Location: SE Louisiana | musikmaker - 2014-01-22 5:54 PM
Regardless of how people 'feel' about it, this should NOT be a political issue. Keep the government out of it. There are many compelling & thought provoking arguments for both sides and ultimately it is a choice & should be kept that way...stop trying to legislate morality! All that happens is we lose all our rights!
We lose our voice on matters where we really could make a difference.
The religious right will never win at this rate.
The day will come when the rate of abortion wanes....and it won't be because it's illegal.
Quite right.. Even if Roe VS Wade is overturned, it will not make abortion against the law. It will simple send the decision back to the states to do with as they wish. | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-22 12:09 PM I love the quote from Reagan: "I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born." That sums it up.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Red Raider - 2014-01-22 11:17 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-01-23 9:09 AM Here is how I see it. Making abortion illegal is not the answer. Women have been getting abortions since the beginning of time, legal or not. We need to convince women that abortion isn't the answer and offer alternatives. And the promoting of abortion needs to stop. Offer the service but discourage its use. I agree. It makes me wonder what kind of a world we would start to live in if we took all the time and energy devoted to the abortion issue and put that towards trying to better regulate, manage and coax people into adoption.
As for the government's role in abortion, I say that it has a right to be heard. Afterall, it's the government who is in charge of picking up the pieces on what happens to children who are unwanted or abused when they fall into CPS court or even our juvenile/prison system later on. If you work in that area long enough, you start to see the issue through a different lens and want more than just a yea or nay option to things.
I'm not a big fan of abortion but I'm also not a big fan of watching a parent basically abuse an unwanted child that will carry scars -- both physical and emotional -- for the rest of his/her life because their parent was too selfish to give them up to someone who would properly care for them. I've seen parents put on the most theatric displays and outbursts worthy of an Oscar in the back of a courtroom when their child -- who they neglected and starved both food and affection from -- was taken away from them. "Oh Lord! DON'T TAKE MY BABY! DON'T TAKE MY BABY!!!!" coming from the same mouth who would scream at them so loud the neighbors could hear on a daily basis all the emotional abuse the child(ren) were subjected to.
I don't know what the answer is. I just know that nobody wins in this game -- not either side even when they get what they want.
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Location: Baden, PA | justcruzin - 2014-01-23 8:55 AM Other side of the coin, what if one of those terminated pregnancies would have been another Dahmer, Hitler, Bundy? Or worse?
thats the chance you have to take, cause as was stated many times in this thread, there are 55 million shoulda, woulda, couldas that now aren't at all.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | VonDigger - 2014-01-23 4:14 PM
justcruzin - 2014-01-23 8:55 AM Other side of the coin, what if one of those terminated pregnancies would have been another Dahmer, Hitler, Bundy? Or worse?
thats the chave you have to take, cause as was stated many times in this thread, there are 55 million should, woulda, couldas that now aren't at all.
Exactly. About the same number of lives as all of WWII. All innocent souls, as far as I'm concerned. The closest thing to pure innocence is a newborn.
I'm always moved, almost to tears when I have heard these stories of people who actually survived abortion attempts. I also recall reading that over 1000 babies who survived botched abortions, are simply allowed to die, or, in the case of Dr Gosnell, actually killed. | |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | justcruzin - 2014-01-22 6:23 PM Very good friend of our family has a child with CMD. This child is 4 years old and severely handicapped. She is on a barrage of med's and when she is not medicated to the point of being somnolent she is fussy, has major muscle spasms, has no idea what is happening around her and is fed thru a feeding tube. She only sleeps when she is over medicated. Her life expediency is 6-10 years. This is her life. The mom wishes she would have done something different as they knew the child had this prior to birth. I had no suggestions for her, only prayers. But seeing her and knowing what the child and family are going thru, I tend to agree. Flame away.
I find myself feeling very torn by this statement. I have worked in the field of developmental disabled for 20 years now and I have worked with ALL levels of development. Some of the individuals have been as severely disabled as the child referred to here. One family, had THREE severely disabled boys (2 at home and one in a nursing home). I have to admit, as much as I love my job, I do find it hard sometimes to understand where a family gets their strength to give the care needed, day after day. However, I can say this almost all of them would not exchange their child/adult for anything. It is a bond and love that is very deep and true. I also fully believe God chooses very special people to handle these lives. As an additional care giver to these now adults, I have such a deep sense of caring for them that is hard to describe. We have one gentleman that is VERY loud and vocal almost all day and he can test even the most calm person. One particularly bad day for him, I brought him up to my office. Normally he would get more agitated at touch, but this time he allowed me to rub his shoulders, as I sang Amazing Grace. I still get teary eyed just thinking about the special time we had together for an hour. He humbled ME. HE was teaching and changing ME. Not every one can see the value of an individual who is totally dependent on others or who communicates very little, but God did give each of these special angels a very important role in life. It may not always be an clear one but if we take the time to look beyond the handicap, they will touch a person's life in a very special way no matter how small.
I have worked with more individuals than I can count over the years and I have so many fond memories! I am not here to say that everyday is perfect and I have had every emotion imagionable while working in this field. I most certainly love and care of some more than others, due to their personallities, but I can truthfully say, each and every individual has changed my life in some way.
I am NOT judging your friend, I have never been in her shoes and at the end of the day, I get to go home to my healthy children. I am also not flaming you. I just see a different side to this debate. He have a young couple at our church with a 4 month old baby that they were asked to abort several times. They were given the worst case senerios possible but they held strong to what they felt was right. The little girl is beyond beautiful even with her handicaps she is defying all the odds and is much healthier then any doctor ever thought she would be. Long story, but I am also wittnessing first hand how this little girl is changing her parent's life for the better. So maybe your friend perhapes wishes now that she had done something different but without a doubt in my mind, God placed that child in their lives for a reason. Perhaps even you yourself will never fully understand the reason but it is there. Please continue to pray for the family and thanks for being there to offer them support.
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