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| I feel your pain!!! Was trying out horses last year, drove 7 hours to test ride and fell in love put $1k cash down and headed home to get the trailer. Seller disappeared with horse and my money.  Lesson unfortunately learned. |
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Cat Collector
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| Just so you are aware, if you have the messages that this person guaranteed the horse sound there IS something you can do, even if you didn't get a vet check. People always say " well you didn't get a vet check that is your fault" well it sure the heck isn't. I am so tired of shady sellers, It just depends how far you want to take this. I say to stand up for what is right and go after what you were promised. |
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The Advice Guru
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| Karlaw - 2016-04-25 1:11 PM
Just so you are aware, if you have the messages that this person guaranteed the horse sound there IS something you can do, even if you didn't get a vet check. People always say " well you didn't get a vet check that is your fault" well it sure the heck isn't. I am so tired of shady sellers, It just depends how far you want to take this. I say to stand up for what is right and go after what you were promised.
Sound is such a subjective term. I do believe it is the buyers responsibility to evaluate the horse before buying. As the seller May truely believe their horse is sound, the horse may have never went to a vet clinic, or the vet they use doesn't have good enough equipment or the knowledge base to assess or diagnose a horse properly.
Not all equipment or vets are created equal
My old barrel horse I lent out when he was 18 diagnosed with OA when he was 6 injected throughout his career. The people who borrowed him took him to their vet flex tested him and he passed with flying colours. Never did X-rays if he did he would have seen joints pretty much bone on bone. I don't consider him sound, but the vet passed him as sound.
I have this argument with a family member all the time, her definition of sound is they are not head bobbin lame. My definition of sound is there is no physical issues to cause pain. |
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| It is so risky these days. I bought one sight unseen off of an add. I jewed the lady down a little so I knew I could at least get my money back if something happened. I always write up contracts if it comes to putting money down, or even getting a vet check. Too much risk these days |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | cheryl makofka - 2016-04-25 11:57 AM Karlaw - 2016-04-25 1:11 PM Just so you are aware, if you have the messages that this person guaranteed the horse sound there IS something you can do, even if you didn't get a vet check. People always say " well you didn't get a vet check that is your fault" well it sure the heck isn't. I am so tired of shady sellers, It just depends how far you want to take this. I say to stand up for what is right and go after what you were promised. Sound is such a subjective term. I do believe it is the buyers responsibility to evaluate the horse before buying. As the seller May truely believe their horse is sound, the horse may have never went to a vet clinic, or the vet they use doesn't have good enough equipment or the knowledge base to assess or diagnose a horse properly. Not all equipment or vets are created equal My old barrel horse I lent out when he was 18 diagnosed with OA when he was 6 injected throughout his career. The people who borrowed him took him to their vet flex tested him and he passed with flying colours. Never did X-rays if he did he would have seen joints pretty much bone on bone. I don't consider him sound, but the vet passed him as sound. I have this argument with a family member all the time, her definition of sound is they are not head bobbin lame. My definition of sound is there is no physical issues to cause pain.
yes yes yes... I have always heard and used the terms serviceably sound and performance sound |
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 A very grounded girl
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Location: Moving soon..... | It's a shame that these kind of people continue to do this over and over. KARMA! This happend to me two times and it wasn't that the horses I purchased were not sound, it was the issues that they had. Both times I was told "they never did that with me." I have learned who to contact when looking to purchase. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2016-04-25 12:57 PM
Karlaw - 2016-04-25 1:11 PM
Just so you are aware, if you have the messages that this person guaranteed the horse sound there IS something you can do, even if you didn't get a vet check. People always say " well you didn't get a vet check that is your fault" well it sure the heck isn't. I am so tired of shady sellers, It just depends how far you want to take this. I say to stand up for what is right and go after what you were promised.
Sound is such a subjective term. I do believe it is the buyers responsibility to evaluate the horse before buying. As the seller May truely believe their horse is sound, the horse may have never went to a vet clinic, or the vet they use doesn't have good enough equipment or the knowledge base to assess or diagnose a horse properly.
Not all equipment or vets are created equal
My old barrel horse I lent out when he was 18 diagnosed with OA when he was 6 injected throughout his career. The people who borrowed him took him to their vet flex tested him and he passed with flying colours. Never did X-rays if he did he would have seen joints pretty much bone on bone. I don't consider him sound, but the vet passed him as sound.
I have this argument with a family member all the time, her definition of sound is they are not head bobbin lame. My definition of sound is there is no physical issues to cause pain.
I am talking about selling a horse and knowing very well that it is not sound. It may be the buyers responsibility but it is also the sellers responsibility to be honest. I don't care what way you try and spin it too many people are dishonest when it comes to selling their horses and enough is enough. Thank god there are still honest people out there who come forward with information about these horses when its needed. |
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| i had a young lady come by my office as a friend sent her to me for some advise. she did not like it but i told her the truth. she was anout 19 or 20 years old she has taken her western pleasue horse at some backyard show and statred running barrels, she did go to a nbha show and was 5-d time. she want a barrel horse. she starts spitting out it had to be at least 16.2 cause she was tall she was 5.8 and wears 34 inseam. can be over 10.. i told her she needed to fi d a good horse to teach her the right way.. just cause you ran barrels 7 or 8 times at a back yard show does not make you a trainer. after i spend an hour with this chick showing her some nice horses for the money 4 to 8k she then ask me if they take payments. i told her get her money then go looking as i will not take payments on a horse. the she post on facebook. she saw a weaning on bhw for 4 or 5k she said that expensive. i told her barrel horses win money and people like barrel racing and in anytime not hard to see a good barrel horse and there not cheap either. they are not like a western pleasure horse that unless you are a trainer or in with the click you cant sell a western pleasure horse. a good barrel horse is a good barrel horse. |
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| kwanatha - 2016-04-25 5:58 PM
cheryl makofka - 2016-04-25 11:57 AM Karlaw - 2016-04-25 1:11 PM Just so you are aware, if you have the messages that this person guaranteed the horse sound there IS something you can do, even if you didn't get a vet check. People always say " well you didn't get a vet check that is your fault" well it sure the heck isn't. I am so tired of shady sellers, It just depends how far you want to take this. I say to stand up for what is right and go after what you were promised. Sound is such a subjective term. I do believe it is the buyers responsibility to evaluate the horse before buying. As the seller May truely believe their horse is sound, the horse may have never went to a vet clinic, or the vet they use doesn't have good enough equipment or the knowledge base to assess or diagnose a horse properly. Not all equipment or vets are created equal My old barrel horse I lent out when he was 18 diagnosed with OA when he was 6 injected throughout his career. The people who borrowed him took him to their vet flex tested him and he passed with flying colours. Never did X-rays if he did he would have seen joints pretty much bone on bone. I don't consider him sound, but the vet passed him as sound. I have this argument with a family member all the time, her definition of sound is they are not head bobbin lame. My definition of sound is there is no physical issues to cause pain.
Yep, performance sound. I looked at a gelding a year or so ago when I was deciding do I fix what I got, or get something else.
So word of mouth through a relative I find a Streakin Six gelding, very reasonable. Lady was older, and had health issues and owner wanted to find him a decent home from folks they knew. Drove 3 hours to ride him. Seemed nice, rode nice, good temperment but didn't get in the ground. I'm thinking, this could be fixable, maybe he needs is a little TLC. Since he wasn't head bobbin' lame, he'd probably never been to the vet, owner was older, sort of loped around the pattern and babysat her, so she was fine with him as he was. Get the vet check......he was sound on like one leg. Didn't go to the next step of x-rays etc. too many possible issues.
I guess moral of the story, folks aren't always meaning to mislead. Sometimes it's just no one's ever looked deep enough to find an issue that makes the horse not Performance Sound.
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Location: Illinois | So sorry that happened. It SUCKS.
Happened twice to me but the one I was more hurt about was a mare I bought from a girl that lived in Indiana who was going for "Miss Rodeo USA". My fault I didn't get a vet check. Brought her home and found out 1. She was a cribber and 2. Had bone chips in both front legs.
Not saying a cribber is a no-go but to know would of been nice but again, my fault I didn't even check her teeth. I was in the stage of being too excited. So yea, my fault but it still sucks because the text messages/emails/videos/reasons for selling were different/ and even seeing the mare in person wasn't enough. She even lowered the price because she had a great feeling about me and this mare ran the WPRA Circuit which would have me getting my "card" in no time. BS. BS. BS. BS!!!!!!
Shame on me. It's just sad how many people you think you can trust you can't. At least it's a LESSON LEARNED. That happened a few years ago but heck it's made me a million times wiser. My friend always said you aren't truly in the horse world until you've been screwed. |
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Location: New Mexico | Really sorry to hear about what happened to you. Here's a really humorous blog about buying barrel horses:
http://www.heritagebrand.com/jess-blog.html  |
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 Duct Tape Can't Fix Stupid
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Location: Warsaw,NY | can someone fill me in as to who these people are? |
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Location: Northwest Florida | hezasmashnsixcess - 2016-04-29 5:11 AM
can someone fill me in as to who these people are?
I'm curious as well. I purchased a horse from some people in KY a few years ago. Found out he was a terrible cribber and had a horrible, dangerous alley issue it took me forever to work through. When I called them they basically said "sorry about your luck". I'm wondering if they are the same people. I still see the girl advertising horses on facebook all the time.
Edited by BigStarBound 2016-04-29 3:41 PM
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