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| *robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have on occasion run in the 1D, often in the 2D, quite often in the 3D and here lately because of a horse that has done a good job of humbling me, I've made some 4D money. I have put in as many hours on this horse as any horse I've ever ridden but not for one minute do I think he or I deserve the same money as one of the higher division placing horse/riders. It's not all about time and effort, it's about skill, talent and athleticism for the 1D and 2D in my opinion, and mostly luck for the rest. As for being thankful, I am thankful every time I go to a barrel race that we have the divisional format because it sure is fun getting to go barrel race and have a chance at making a little money....equal payouts shouldn't be necessary to make us thankful!
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Location: OK | I'm not sure you read my post entirely, or maybe you're having a bad day... but WHAT I SAID was the elite, not ME the elite. I'm in the 3D lately, which was in my post.
I don't understand your thinking on having a 1D horse to maintain, then not wanting that and wanting a slower horse if I'm understanding that right? BUT, I'm not you, and that's ok. Whatever you wanna ride is ok. My point is this. If you wanna weekend it, if you wanna part time it, go ahead, just don't be mad when you get in the 4d and it doesn't pay the same as the 1D and think the 1D should make equal $ as you.
I do rodeo when I can. I DO believe the top horses/riders/trainers are elite and deserve to be appreciated. If you ever were one of those, you understand the life it takes.
I'm not saying I'm a pro, I'm saying I understand the difference.
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Location: GA | runs4fun - 2013-11-27 5:53 PM *robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have very seldom ever run in the 1D, ran in the 2D a good bit, the 3D quite a bit and recently because of a horse that is doing a good job of humbling me to get him figured out, I've even made a bit of 4D money. I have put just as many hours etc. into this 4D horse (if we're lucky that day) as any horse I've ever ridden BUT I do not think for one minute we should make the same amount of money as a 1D, 2D or 3D placer.....all in good time, hopefully I'll have him up in a higher division. I'm not delusional at all, I am well aware of the time most barrel racers put into their horses but it's not all about time and effort, it's about talent, skill and athleticism from horse and rider alike.
Please note the highlighted. I have said as much over and over.
I have never struggled as much as I do now to get in the lower Ds as I did the 1D. I have also never worked so hard to just crawl in the lower Ds. I have some nice horses, no fault of theirs. My goal is to hit the 1D again. The divisional races have a purpose and not one single horse and or rider that comes down that alleyway is any better than the other. However it is a race and the fastest youshould be rewarded as such. It stops there though. You will not anymore appreciation from me than I give any other rider/horse. | |
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Location: OK | runs4fun - 2013-11-27 5:01 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have on occasion run in the 1D, often in the 2D, quite often in the 3D and here lately because of a horse that has done a good job of humbling me, I've made some 4D money. I have put in as many hours on this horse as any horse I've ever ridden but not for one minute do I think he or I deserve the same money as one of the higher division placing horse/riders. It's not all about time and effort, it's about skill, talent and athleticism for the 1D and 2D  in my opinion, and mostly luck for the rest.  As for being thankful, I am thankful every time I go to a barrel race that we have the divisional format because it sure is fun getting to go barrel race and have a chance at making a little money....equal payouts shouldn't be necessary to make us thankful!
Without the lower D horses/riders, we wouldn't be anything???!!! Huh?! Before Ds, there were greats too. Ds don't make greats, they just make more holes to pay.
A bunch of "1D" riders running without the lower D riders would be straight paid, and would still make the same amount of money. When you go to a rodeo, it's all 1-2D horses usually, and as any of you rodeo girls know, the checks are just as big.
Yes, lower Ds make a bigger pot, but also way way more holes to pay. Evens out. | |
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Location: Florida.. | Alot of good comments and all of it makes sense. I dont think equal payout is fair. I do however understand that in order for riders to keep entering.. even with the tough riders and horses there i think a lower payout at each D is needed.. or they would look at entries and not enter knowing they dont stand a chance.. I think the top deserve more payout.. but .. the top at the lower Ds should get something..a lesser amount.. | |
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runs4fun - 2013-11-27 5:53 PM *robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have very seldom ever run in the 1D, ran in the 2D a good bit, the 3D quite a bit and recently because of a horse that is doing a good job of humbling me to get him figured out, I've even made a bit of 4D money.  I have put just as many hours etc. into this 4D horse (if we're lucky that day) as any horse I've ever ridden BUT I do not think for one minute we should make the same amount of money as a 1D, 2D or 3D placer.....all in good time, hopefully I'll have him up in a higher division.  I'm not delusional at all, I am well aware of the time most barrel racers put into their horses but it's not all about time and effort, it's about talent, skill and athleticism from horse and rider alike.
Please note the highlighted. I have said as much over and over. I have never struggled as much as I do now to get in the lower Ds as I did the 1D. I have also never worked so hard to just crawl in the lower Ds. I have some nice horses, no fault of theirs. My goal is to hit the 1D again. The divisional races have a purpose and not one single horse and or rider that comes down that alleyway is any better than the other. However it is a race and the fastest youshould be rewarded as such. It stops there though. You will not anymore appreciation from me than I give any other rider/horse.
Point taken.
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Location: GA | jojammer - 2013-11-27 6:06 PM
runs4fun - 2013-11-27 5:01 PM
*robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have on occasion run in the 1D, often in the 2D, quite often in the 3D and here lately because of a horse that has done a good job of humbling me, I've made some 4D money. I have put in as many hours on this horse as any horse I've ever ridden but not for one minute do I think he or I deserve the same money as one of the higher division placing horse/riders. It's not all about time and effort, it's about skill, talent and athleticism for the 1D and 2D  in my opinion, and mostly luck for the rest.  As for being thankful, I am thankful every time I go to a barrel race that we have the divisional format because it sure is fun getting to go barrel race and have a chance at making a little money....equal payouts shouldn't be necessary to make us thankful!
Without the lower D horses/riders, we wouldn't be anything???!!! Huh?! Before Ds, there were greats too. Ds don't make greats, they just make more holes to pay.
A bunch of "1D" riders running without the lower D riders would be straight paid, and would still make the same amount of money. When you go to a rodeo, it's all 1-2D horses usually, and as any of you rodeo girls know, the checks are just as big.
Yes, lower Ds make a bigger pot, but also way way more holes to pay. Evens out.
Lol seriously as I said without lower D riders you would not be anything. You would not be a "1D" anything. Rodeos do not have D riders/horses. Straight races do not have D riders/horses. You people are letting the divisional races define you. | |
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| *robin* - 2013-11-27 6:03 PM runs4fun - 2013-11-27 5:53 PM *robin* - 2013-11-27 5:35 PM What makes some of you people think that the time, money, effort, desire, etc is not put into the lower D horses as the 1D horse? Not all horses are meant to be 1D horses and not all riders are meant to be 1D riders. To think otherwise is delusional. Also what in the world makes you think you are the elite and should be appreciated? Get over yourself. Without the lower D horse/riders you wouldn’t be anything. Again I am not for equal payout and believe the horse/rider team that clocks the fastest should be rewarded as such. There will always be a 1D horse in the divisional races whether you self believed elite show up or not. And if it is costing you a fortune to maintain your elite horse perhaps you should take a look at your program and re-evaluate it. I have had a few of those and for the life of me just ain’t seeing it. For some reason that just irked my arse. I have always appreciated any horse and or rider that contributed to the pot and even more so if I was on the taking side of it. Some of you need to be giving thanks a bit early or start your own barrel race association based on the old days of straight races if you can't hack rodeo. Just sayin... I have very seldom ever run in the 1D, ran in the 2D a good bit, the 3D quite a bit and recently because of a horse that is doing a good job of humbling me to get him figured out, I've even made a bit of 4D money. I have put just as many hours etc. into this 4D horse (if we're lucky that day) as any horse I've ever ridden BUT I do not think for one minute we should make the same amount of money as a 1D, 2D or 3D placer.....all in good time, hopefully I'll have him up in a higher division. I'm not delusional at all, I am well aware of the time most barrel racers put into their horses but it's not all about time and effort, it's about talent, skill and athleticism from horse and rider alike. Please note the highlighted. I have said as much over and over.
I have never struggled as much as I do now to get in the lower Ds as I did the 1D. I have also never worked so hard to just crawl in the lower Ds. I have some nice horses, no fault of theirs. My goal is to hit the 1D again. The divisional races have a purpose and not one single horse and or rider that comes down that alleyway is any better than the other. However it is a race and the fastest youshould be rewarded as such. It stops there though. You will not anymore appreciation from me than I give any other rider/horse.
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Location: OK | No. What defines me is how well I'm doing on the horse I'm on and my determination to improve. D races don't define me. That makes no sense.
As I said in my post earlier, if you're investing the same time, work, $ and effort into a 4D horse and can't get out of the 4D but you want to, you either need to fix your riding or get a different horse. Just because I'm having trouble doesn't mean I think I deserve the same $ as the ones who know how to win. Obviously, I don't know how to win right now on this horse, or I would be doing it. The fact that I'm working hard at it and not making it is totally my fault. To be honest, I don't put 1 ounce of thought into what the 1D checks are unless I'm in it. | |
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Location: ILLINOIS | I don't like the thought of equal payout in each division but I do think the last place in the last division should at LEAST get their entry fee back. I hate going to races and placing and not even getting HALF of my entry... | |
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