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Location: Tulsa, Ok | ThreeCorners - 2013-12-18 7:19 AM Technically the OP is correct. There is a reason why all your good bloodstock sales list a small paragraph on the stallion and the entire rest of the page is the dam. What she did and what she produced. The weaker the dam, then her dam and her dams dam can be listed and the DAM will determine sale price more so then the sire. The better the dam, the more money that horse will bring. The odds that horse will be a great athlete greatly increase with a good dam. Good sons and daughters come from good dams.
But then again the odds of awesome, accomplished mares producing exceptional offspring are greatly increased because they are generally not bred to crap studs. |
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Location: Kentucky | So are these two still considered 3/4 siblings???
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=HANKBABY&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/good+to+be+the+king
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Location: Texas | I try and stay technically correct with what half sibling means. To me its more important because that mare may have 5-10 babies or less… so if they are super nice, to me it's more significant that I have one of those few babies she has, then if I have one of the hundreds to thousands of babies the sire has.
For example- when Dashin Czar won the crap ton of money this weekend, I was more excited because she shares the DAM to my mare. I don't have a tres seis but I have one of the THREE mares out of Dashin La Jolla.
I think both sire and dam influence personality but I think the mare when given the chance to raise the foal herself will influence it as well. whether she puts in 60% or 80% of its behavior I have no idea. I do know the two babies I have reflect their dam's personalities, but on the flip side I never got to meet First Down French or Confederate Leader to know how they behave. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | It is just how it is, how it has always been with horses.
I think it is to keep the sellers of by 1/2 sibs out of 1/2 sibs from coming out of the woodwork after the NFR. I have already seen a bajillion by 1/2 this out of 1/2 that to an NFR horse for sale. Most are REALLLLLLY stretching it to make the relation, but whatever floats your boat!
Edited by wyoming barrel racer 2013-12-18 9:13 AM
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Location: 31 lengths farms | So technically I guess my gelding and mare with the same sire and dam are half siblings and blood related by sire? LOL!!! Good to know. |
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Location: Burns, WY | UMM, if they have the same sire they are known as paternal half siblings. If they have the same dam, they are known as maternal half siblings and if you post it that way, no one will be confused on how they are related to such and such horse.
Half sibling is half sibling no matter what as the dam gives 50% of her genes to the foal and the sire gives 50% of his genes to the foal and any geneticist will tell you that since every horse has two genes of everything and when they are bred forward, they only throw one of their copies of the gene at the foal and the other parent throws one of their two copies of the gene at the foal.
Sure, the mare is definitely going to have an influence on the foal's behaviour but that happens in all species that are raised by a parent.
Understanding breeding and pedigree niching goes a long way in creating those great foals but of course many people nowadays breed to the flavour of the year and then they wonder why they don't get that superior foal, as they know nothing about the horses in the background of their horse's pedigree because a lot of people don't really study pedigrees anymore.
Hell, I have a mare that is an aunt and paternal half sibling to many of my foals. |
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Location: Kansas | Nevertooold - 2013-12-17 11:13 PM Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-17 11:05 PM So if they are by the same sire different dams what are they? Welfare children.
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Location: Qld Australia | Totally agree with you OP and you will very rarely see breeders mash up this terminology. Also, I get so burred by - I have a foal out of Fred and by Mary.
Hello!!!! A stallion CANNOT give birth so a foal it NEVER out of the stallion. It is BY the stallion and OUT OF the mare.
I am an Agriculture and English teacher - my Ag Students hate it. |
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