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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Stinks that you have to deal with this, but your vet should give you all the answers to your questions about heaves. They can develope them at any time from what I understand. My stud never had any issues until he was injured at 5 and locked in a corral on hay. He then coughed on ANY hay that was hauled in and not what we grew here on the ranch. The funny thing is that this hay grown here, he had only been on for about 5 months. Vet thought he had heaves. On pasture he never has an issue.
I know a friend had a stud develope something similar so they water his hay down and it seems to eliminate his issues. Might have to check around. Just the change of feed and environment may have set him off. I wouldn't jump all over the seller yet. This is why I HATE to sell mature horses. Anything goes wrong and it is the sellers fault no matter what. | |
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| Had a horse with heaves. We watered hay and always fed grass hay,not alfalfa. | |
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Location: Bastrop, TX | This may be a good fix since you said you board your horse. That's if wetting the hay down will help his condition. Sorry you have to deal with this, seems when people don't respond the first inclination is they KNEW.
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Location: Notasulga, Alabama | First you need to see if you can figure out what is causing your horses Heaves (also known as COPD and RAO). If the horse is out in the field and not stalled nor around a lot of dust he may have an allergy to something in the field. This is seen a lot in the south. and I've seen a lot of horses have it one year and not have it the next or get it every year in a certain month or two. All based on when the plant they're allergic to grows in the field. And if the seller didn't have whatever the horse is allergic to on her property then the horse may have never shown any signs. I used to have a barrel horse that would have a horrible heave attack every august if I didn't put him in a dry lot. But when my friend had owned him, he had never had this problem at her place.
I don't really think you have a leg to stand on with the previous owner. You had a vet check. But good news is there are lots of good treatments out there for heaves. Number one will of course be steroids. You'll start with a heavy loading dose, and then taper off. After a round of steroids your horse may be fine, or may need a very small dose of steroids every few days to keep things in check. Or if you find your horse has more allergies to arenas (dust and dirt) you could just treat your horse with Ventepullman for races. It's expensive but it works. | |
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Location: Canada | Horses with heaves have very distinctive lung sounds. If you had two vets who said the horse didn't have heaves, had him scoped and found no sign of heaves then I wouldn't be upset with the seller. Honestly if I was the seller I'd probably be hurt that after three checks by qualified professionals who passed the horse you believe that the seller intentionally withheld information. Sorry to sound harsh but put yourself in their shoes. You said they seemed honest, had the horse vetted with no concerns noted, had the horse checked again and still no heaves so why would you think the seller would know the horse had an issue?
Horses can develop lung problems at any point in time. It's entirely possible the horse is suffering from some sort of allergic reaction or infection. I'd treat the horse according to the vet recommendations and leave the seller alone.
I hope you get to the bottom of the problem and the horse recovers wonderfully for you.
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Location: Alberta | RunNitroRun - 2014-01-01 10:29 AM Horses with heaves have very distinctive lung sounds. If you had two vets who said the horse didn't have heaves, had him scoped and found no sign of heaves then I wouldn't be upset with the seller. Honestly if I was the seller I'd probably be hurt that after three checks by qualified professionals who passed the horse you believe that the seller intentionally withheld information. Sorry to sound harsh but put yourself in their shoes. You said they seemed honest, had the horse vetted with no concerns noted, had the horse checked again and still no heaves so why would you think the seller would know the horse had an issue? Horses can develop lung problems at any point in time. It's entirely possible the horse is suffering from some sort of allergic reaction or infection. I'd treat the horse according to the vet recommendations and leave the seller alone. I hope you get to the bottom of the problem and the horse recovers wonderfully for you. I agree....
Its been 2 months since you bought the horse and threw it I to a new environment (with multiple other horses, I assume being a boarding situation)
Go with what the vet recommends...
FYI I'd be asking the vet questions, heavy horses do cough easily (when exposed to allergens in food and environment) also you can see a visual labor to the breathing.....
Edited by dream_chaser 2014-01-01 11:56 AM
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| I just want to extend my sincere apologies to those I have offended with my post. I was absolutely wrong in the way I presented my question and some of the things I have said. For this, I am truly sorry! I was not upset because I thought the seller purposefully withheld information from me, as I said they were very honest and up front during the purchasing process. I was upset simply because the seller wouldn't respond to any of my text since after a week or two from when I purchased the horse. I had text positive updates, pictures, and recently the asked question if they ever knew of him having a snotty nose. I don't think it is unfair to ask questions to the seller and hope for a reply. I was only upset after several attempts to contact the owner and never hearing anything for over 2 months. The facts of the situation for those offended are. The horse was vet checked (at there farm-before being brought home) the very first time with a runny nose, first vet said he had a cold as the weather turned quickly. Second vet, said he also had a cold. After two rounds of SMZ tablets and not seeing much improvement, we were referred to another vet for a scope. Third vet, based on the scope of the trachea suggested heaves, possibly allergies.. due to the trachea scope. This vet did not suspect a infection because of the two rounds of antibiotics. This horse had a daily, ongoing, snotty nose. When he dropped his head, the white and milky drainage poured out. Also had some coughing. This horse has been by himself since we brought him home for those concerned of the boarding situation. Found out in the end it was a staph infection (due to culture results), something he has had for awhile. Treating the horse now, and everything will be fine. Again, I am truly sorry for those I have offended. The seller is NOT responsible for the horse now.. I only was upset because I heard nothing in reply! Maybe I am wrong in my thinking, but I ALWAYS keep an open door policy when selling horses. The buyer's are always welcome to ask questions.. whether they are the good, bad, or ugly. After all the seller knows more than I do after only having the horse a short time! Just wanted to clear the air! Again, please know I am truly sorry for those offended.
Edited by Blueridgedreaming 2014-01-09 2:48 PM
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Blueridgedreaming - 2014-01-09 1:32 PM I just want to extend my sincere apologies to those I have offended with my post. I was absolutely wrong in the way I presented my question and some of the things I have said. For this, I am truly sorry! I was not upset because I thought the seller purposefully withheld information from me, as I said they were very honest and up front during the purchasing process. I was upset simply because the seller wouldn't respond to any of my text since after a week or two from when I purchased the horse. I had text positive updates, pictures, and recently the asked question if they ever knew of him having a snotty nose. I don't think it is unfair to ask questions to the seller and hope for a reply. I was only upset after several attempts to contact the owner and never hearing anything for over 2 months. The facts of the situation for those offended are. The horse was vet checked (at there farm-before being brought home) the very first time with a runny nose, first vet said he had a cold as the weather turned quickly. Second vet, said he also had a cold. After two rounds of SMZ tablets and not seeing much improvement, we were referred to another vet for a scope. Third vet, based on the scope of the trachea suggested heaves, possibly allergies.. due to the trachea scope. This vet did not suspect a infection because of the two rounds of antibiotics. This horse had a daily, ongoing, snotty nose. When he dropped his head, the white and milky drainage poured out. Also had some coughing. This horse has been by himself since we brought him home for those concerned of the boarding situation. Found out in the end it was a staph infection (due to culture results), something he has had for awhile. Treating the horse now, and everything will be fine. Again, I am truly sorry for those I have offended. The seller is NOT responsible for the horse now.. I only was upset because I heard nothing in reply! Maybe I am wrong in my thinking, but I ALWAYS keep an open door policy when selling horses. The buyer's are always welcome to ask questions.. whether they are the good, bad, or ugly. After all the seller knows more than I do after only having the horse a short time! Just wanted to clear the air! Again, please know I am truly sorry for those offended.
No worries, It's all good 
I have always answered calls/emails even years down the road. I have had one that had the horse for several months and then called me freaking out because it was limping around. She had broke this horse to ride in the meantime so I really had no idea what it could be...I mean months had gone by, she had passed up a vet check and the horse was a youngster. I was nice in my email, not sure what was expected of me, but I was curious as to what the vet had to say. She emailed back that it was just an abscess and apologized for getting upset with me. I think horses and their unforseen expenses can really freak people out. | |
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